ROUGH TRAILER: "Nemesis 305"

The trailer is pretty rough, but the content is really strong. Shots look great, acting & dialogue is solid. What are your plans for the finished flik?

Generally speaking, I think I'm seeing a trend with the 35mm adapters. The SDOF calls achieved with the still camera lenses calls attention to itself way too much. Like it's too shallow too often and screams "look at me!". Does anyone else feel this way or is it just me?
 
If im not mistaken, those arent Still camera lenses hes using on Nemesis, they are Ziess Cinema Lenses...so that is actually true to what it would look like to the best of my knowledge.
 
All the elements are there for a great trailer. First off, it's too long. You have here is a short version of the film. A trailer is a little different. Also, it doesn't have to linear either. Get some key dialogue and use it as a voice over with some nice footage.

Good luck.
 
Justin... Looks great. Let me know when and if you have a screening. I'd love to come on down....


What's your plans for this?
 
Cheesesailor77 said:
looks really good man.

Whats was the budget/schedule? When can we see it?
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Thank you...
It's a full length feature, shot in 12 days, the Director is still editing it.. So I'm not exactly sure on the release date.. Hopefully sometime this winter..


STORYTELLER32 said:
The trailer is pretty rough, but the content is really strong. Shots look great, acting & dialogue is solid. What are your plans for the finished flik?

Generally speaking, I think I'm seeing a trend with the 35mm adapters. The SDOF calls achieved with the still camera lenses calls attention to itself way too much. Like it's too shallow too often and screams "look at me!". Does anyone else feel this way or is it just me?
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Your right it sure is rough.. We cut it before the movie.. It is more of a film of the film to draw a buzz, and well, we're still editing the feature, so it's just still a work in progress.. We hope to eventually get a theatrical release, if everything goes our way..
As for the shallow DOF, I think I managed to control it for the most part.. I don't really find it distracting at all.. With some adapters you want to shoot WIDE open to ensure your not seeing any of the grain on the ground glass, or any motion of the GG.. I have found that with the M2, and 35mm Zeiss Superspeed lenses you have some play.. You don't need to shoot wide open for all your shots.. So I think that opens your DOF to a more tolerable amount.. Thank you StoryTeller..

Cynic821 said:
If im not mistaken, those arent Still camera lenses hes using on Nemesis, they are Ziess Cinema Lenses...so that is actually true to what it would look like to the best of my knowledge.
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You are correct Cynic.. They are Zeiss Superspeeds (T 1.3)

bgundu said:
All the elements are there for a great trailer. First off, it's too long. You have here is a short version of the film. A trailer is a little different. Also, it doesn't have to linear either. Get some key dialogue and use it as a voice over with some nice footage.

Good luck.
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LOL thanks bgundu, we're finding it harder to cut the trailer than the movie.. We we're all getting emails and calls from people asking to see something.. So this is what they are getting..

Thank you everyone for your comments and suggestions, we really to appreciate them and will use every one of them to make it better.. We really have a great film here and we would like to get it on the big screen at a theater near YOU!

- - Justin
 
Justyn said:
Justin... Looks great. Let me know when and if you have a screening. I'd love to come on down....


What's your plans for this?
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You know I will Justyn! it'll be a bit... hahahaha

Some big festivals and hopefully the big screen :-) Think bIG!

Thanks Justyn!
- - Justin
 
Awesome work! Beautiful cinematography! Glad to see someone is making some waves with the HVX/m2 combo. Best of luck in the festival circuit.
 
It doesnt matter if they are photo or cinema lenses....if they are 35 mm lenses they are going to have the same DOF....only thing that changes that is the speed of the lenese...1.3 is supper fast and at 1.3 your going to have a super shallow dof....anyways it looks alright....I guess it is "proffesional" but i think the storry is a little cheezy...the cinematgraphy is pretty god although yea i think the dof is just too much in places. I would have stopped down a bit more.
 
JZalutsky said:
anyways it looks alright....I guess it is "proffesional" but i think the storry is a little cheezy...the cinematgraphy is pretty god although yea i think the dof is just too much in places. I would have stopped down a bit more.
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Alright is good for me :-) Bad is another story.. We tried to get the best images possible with what we had.. We know it can always be better, and with time we will all improve.. But we're all really proud of what we did with the minimal time and small crew..

You can only stop down so much before you need to bring out those 18k's that we didn't have.. :huh:

As for the story, we would love if you could explain a little why you think it's "cheezy"? Maybe some ideas of what would make it "not cheezy"
It might be something we can improve on while editing the movie.. So please be as critcal as you want.. Thats why we post here.. :dankk2:


Thank you =

- - Jusitn
 
Hey Justin.

Some really nice looking shots, great work mate. You don't have to make excuses for this stuff, time to hold your head up, you have something to be proud of. :Drogar-Love(DBG):

As far as the trailer as "a trailer" I feel that bgundu hit he nail on the head...

bgundu said:
All the elements are there for a great trailer. First off, it's too long. You have here is a short version of the film. A trailer is a little different. Also, it doesn't have to linear either. Get some key dialogue and use it as a voice over with some nice footage. Good luck.
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As you said in an earlier post...

"Think bIG!"

...should apply to the trailer and everything else that you put out in regard to representing your movie. If you don't yet have a trailer that 100% rocks in your opinion, then just post some clips until you do.

Thanks.:thumbup:
 
JZalutsky said:
i think the dof is just too much in places. I would have stopped down a bit more.
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kind of an oxymoronic statement

problem = "too much dof"
solution = "stopped down a bit more" = more depth of field?:huh:
 
peter orland said:
Hey Justin.

Some really nice looking shots, great work mate. You don't have to make excuses for this stuff, time to hold your head up, you have something to be proud of. :Drogar-Love(DBG):

As far as the trailer as "a trailer" I feel that bgundu hit he nail on the head...



As you said in an earlier post...

"Think bIG!"

...should apply to the trailer and everything else that you put out in regard to representing your movie. If you don't yet have a trailer that 100% rocks in your opinion, then just post some clips until you do.

Thanks.:thumbup:
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Thank you for the kind words..
It's refreshing to hear everyone's ideas..
I didn't feel as though I was making excuses, rather just taking into account this persons personal taste.. I try not to tell people to go F-off, I LIKED IT, and YOU SUCK! hahahaha, but maybe next time....

As for our so-called "trailer", well, it's really not one as you all can see.. It's more of a vague synopsis of the film.. We posted this because we we're asked by many people to show what we were up to the last month.. Everyone seems eager to see footage from this camera, as well as the M2 adapter..

It's also great to get feedback from so many people that do not have a clue about the movie.. Instead of throwing a bunch of random clips together (which we did as well) we wanted to give people a taste of the film and see how people react to it.. With the group full of many professionals it's a great place to have be crituqued..

We are very happy with the way people are responding and really appreciate all of the positive comments and constructive criticism.. It helps us build the film visually when people tell us what they like and or disliked..


Johnny Cola said:
kind of an oxymoronic statement

problem = "too much dof"
solution = "stopped down a bit more" = more depth of field?:huh:
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Hmm, your right, I read it so quickly I was guessing that he didn't like the LACK of DOF?? hmm.. Oh well.. hahah

-- Thanks again guys.. I'm gathering some footage from a Honda Commercial I just did some aerials for a few days ago.. The HVX is so sweet with some gyro's.... I might get some for handheld work (MOS handheld work) haha..

- - Justin Marx
 
Hey thats a really great looking piece of work! Excellent lighting and shots for everything. I agree that the trailer is a bit rough, but not in terms of cuts or shots, but rather because of the sound design. Some of the sounds could be tightened, etc. If you set that it'll be golden.
 
MalcolmOng said:
Hey thats a really great looking piece of work! Excellent lighting and shots for everything. I agree that the trailer is a bit rough, but not in terms of cuts or shots, but rather because of the sound design. Some of the sounds could be tightened, etc. If you set that it'll be golden.
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Got any sound effects in your pocket? :-) :beer:

Thanks for the kind words.. :dankk2:

- - Justin
 
I liked it, good story keeping my interest. The trailer was like a synopsis. Tell me the ending then I won't have too see it. :) I know this isn't an official trailer so I don't feel I need to rib you about it. I just appreciate you sharing this with us. Cinematography was really good. I though the dof was fine. of course this is subjective. How many big budget movies have you seen lately...they scream shallow dof. If you didn't mention using the adapter it wouldn't have been noticecd as much, thus not drawing as much attention to it.

Rock on Dude, you have something to be proud of.
 
I hate to sound harsh, but I personally found a lot of the Cinematography to be unmotivated. It's not about DoF or lenses, it's about placement and composition. Often times it felt like the camera was handheld in a static scene, contrasting the energy of the performance, and often times it felt like the angles and compositions chosen hand no real though or plan behind them. As if it was just the easiest place to put the camera. As a result, you had some high and low angles that created an awkward character dynamic. The DoF really didn't contribute because it feels like it was there technically, not artistically. While you had the lenses and equipment, I just feel like the shot plans weren't that well though out.


However, I will compliment the lighting, I think you hit that one on the head, at least from what I saw, creating a hot environment that fits the story and works well with the actors skin tones.

Overall, to me, it seems (and this is just my opinion) like this was a film that needed more dolly work, smoother shots (think "scarface") and some more complex wider work. I would like to see the lead challenged by his environment. I want to see the world he came from and the world he is struggling to get to.

From what I gathered, there are a lot of strong performances, and then some not so strong ones. I'd like to give a shout out to the guy with the high hair standing in front of the skyline, he seemed the most natural, and I wanted to hear his speech to completion, it pulled me in. The white guys persuading the lead to be a killer rapper, I don't know, I had a hard time swallowing that premise... maybe it's story, maybe its that that performer wasn't as convincing.

But hey, what do I know. I'm just a guy doing my thing. And I am often in the minority with my tastes!
 
OK, I could be talking complete shi*e but here goes...If you're going to release a trailer for actual promotional purposes, you might want to do another cut. On here it's fine 'cause you're sharing with us, not subjecting us to an advertising campaign (though advertising is an intriguingly prominent part of Horrorfest) unless you are, in which case I direct you back to my original point...do another cut, one that makes the viewer want to see the whole movie, instead of actually showing the whole movie to him.

That said, it seems like you may have too much going on in the movie itself. There's a coming-of-age story, and there's a story about the conflict between two friends...beef, if you will. There seemed to be an uncertain focus between these two storylines. You could make it all about 305's personal journey with the beef as a sideline plot thread, or you could make it about the progression of their relationship from friends to partners to enemies to combatants even...flashing back at the necessary beats to the childhood stuff for possible explanation of the characters' actions. You could even start earlier than that, with their friendship in the first stages of dissolution at the beginning of the movie, and include the backstory of their friendship in the flashback material.

Just some thoughts. It's your movie.
 
HappyGobo said:
OK, I could be talking complete shi*e but here goes...If you're going to release a trailer for actual promotional purposes, you might want to do another cut. On here it's fine 'cause you're sharing with us, not subjecting us to an advertising campaign (though advertising is an intriguingly prominent part of Horrorfest) unless you are, in which case I direct you back to my original point...do another cut, one that makes the viewer want to see the whole movie, instead of actually showing the whole movie to him.

That said, it seems like you may have too much going on in the movie itself. There's a coming-of-age story, and there's a story about the conflict between two friends...beef, if you will. There seemed to be an uncertain focus between these two storylines. You could make it all about 305's personal journey with the beef as a sideline plot thread, or you could make it about the progression of their relationship from friends to partners to enemies to combatants even...flashing back at the necessary beats to the childhood stuff for possible explanation of the characters' actions. You could even start earlier than that, with their friendship in the first stages of dissolution at the beginning of the movie, and include the backstory of their friendship in the flashback material.

Just some thoughts. It's your movie.
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Thank you for the comments.. We're very clear on it being rough hence the reason we titled it ROUGH trailer. Posting here was purely for more visual and technical responses rather than any sort of possible advertising benifits.. Although GO SEE IT WHEN ITS DONE!! hahah..

We're pretty well laid out for our storyline and plot, though the clips might confuse.. But great ideas none the less.. We really appreciate the time.. We'll post a real trailer once were done editing the movie itself.. :)

:dankk2:
 
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