Rotoscope...test give me opinion please

i'm confused...

rotoscoping

what are you trying to achieve? i realize i'm "old school", but this term has been misused far too long. not trying to debate it...i honestly want to know what effect you are trying to achieve?
 
ah i got ya...how did you do yours? my friend did this with after effects is this what you are trying to do?

grave reality

i really don't know how he did it, but you can contact him thru youtube.

my opinion...it did have that look. my only question is are you making it that dark purposely?
 
since i don't have after effects i couldn't tell you how, but in my opinion i think the thing that makes that work is having a well lit scene. then if you need it dark you make it dark in post. but i can only presume since i don't have the software that light is essential to pulling that effect off. but you did a good job with what you had.
 
I wouldn't call that rotoscoping. Rotoscoping would be masking off by hand to overlay an object or person into a different background, of paint out a section of the frame to lay in some background of set extension.

What you are doing is just hand painting over the frame. Except, it looks like you are using a filter instead of hand painting. The effect you are looking for comes from a lot of hard work by hand, not a simple filter.
 
I guess thats true in a purist sense. As long as it looks like the effect I'm happy. You can apply that to any thing. Final Cut is not like flat bed editing but is it not still the same end product? Everyone and his mother is trying to get the film look but its actual not film. So does that make the impact any different? Is it not a movie still? The fact that the audience can't tell the difference is the art. So your right in the technical sense and you definition was spot on. So I need to go find The Waking Life rotoscoping team to get the effect I'm looking for? Because I really asked for improvements. But thank you:)
 
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actually joshua is wrong...please see my rotoscoping post. rotoscoping is drawing an animation over a real object to give the animation a life-like appearance. what joshua is describing is compositing...two different things. a great example of rotoscoping are the dancing penguins in "mary poppins" they were drawn over the actor to emulate the dance moves and give it more authenticity. that is rotoscoping.

so now that i think about it. i was wrong :D cobraclutch you are technically rotoscoping. i apologize.

from notes on Scanner Darkly:

Animation

After principal photography was finished, the film was transferred to Quicktime for a 15-month animation process: interpolated-rotoscoping. A Scanner Darkly was filmed digitally using the Panasonic AG-DVX100 and then animated with Rotoshop, a proprietary graphics editing program created by Bob Sabiston. Rotoshop uses an animation technique called interpolated rotoscope, which was previously used in Linklater's film Waking Life. Linklater discussed the ideas and inspiration behind his use of rotoscoping in a UK documentary about him in 2004, linking it to his personal experiences of lucid dreaming. Rotoscoping in traditional cel animation originally involved tracing over film frame-by-frame. This is similar in some respects to the rotoscope style of filmmaker Ralph Bakshi. Rotoshop animation, however, makes use of vector keyframes, and interpolates the in-between frames automatically.[4]

The animation phase was a trying process for Linklater who said, "I know how to make a movie, but I don't really know how to handle the animation."[1] He had gone the animation route because he felt that there was very little animation targeted for adults.[1] Each minute of animation required 350 hours of work with 50 animators working full-time every day.
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i haven't seen it, but now that i know it was shot with a DVX100...what the heck was i thinking?!?!?!
 
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odd...it says the page was updated march 31, 2009. that last line about visual effects wasn't there when i linked to it. the article is mostly about animation. here's more:

Rotoscoping is a process which involves tracing stages of movement from live-action film, to attain a realistic motion in animation or visual effects.
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Compositing is the process by which separate film elements, like footage of a landscape and footage of a spaceship, are combined to form the final seamless image of the spaceship flying over the landscape.
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Rotoscoping has become an integral part of the compositing process.
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two different processes, but are being used in conjunction to create an effect or visual image.
a perfect example of that is jurassic park. the dinosaurs are animations which are given realistic movement...of course CG, but still rotoscope in a sense then those animations were composited into the scene to create a rather very genuine looking scene.

however i realize there are times when the background itself is rotoscoped to make basically an animated matte...but that matte is still composited to make the image. you're animating the background to match the movement of the foreground because if they don't match it's quite noticeable. something i had to do on my volleyball clip...frame by freaking frame :grin:

so mary poppins...the penguins were rotoscoped to create the realistic dancing then that or those images were then composited to make the scene.
 
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