Rosacia Effect - Hot Skin Tones

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DNathan

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I'm getting blown out/redish skin tones that I never had with my FX1s. Am I missing something? I'm using F1 and manual iris. It seems like any skin tone is hot and right on the edge of blowing out. I'm filming outdoor weddings.

I want that detail back, and the color is too yellow/green! Thoughts?
 
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i would like to know this also. I have messed around shooting different scenes using different scene files, tweaking, adjusting, etc... my picture still does not come out like some of the videos i've seen on vimeo and on here. no where close. even after heavy color correction i still cannot get the image that some people posted which theirs was raw no editing and mine with color correction. i get so much noise, the colors off and like DNathan said, the color is too yellow/green.

appreciate any help for the both of us

thanks
 
I know it's tweakable. The stock settings on the 150s are not ideal to say the least. It sounds like we could use some sage settings advice starting with good skin tone.
 
I would need more information about your footage.

You mentioned reddish skin tones and then ended with saying it was yellow/green.

Don't know which you are referring to.

White balance in crucial and would recommend carring a white card and re-balancing often while using manual WB.

I have settled on lowering the chroma phase to -2 and adjusting the low frequency reds towards magenta in post.

I use the Cine 5 color matrix and SD Norm gamma.

This camera makes some nice images with these settings for me.
 
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Here is some embarrasing footage from our fourth cam (150). The shooter should've used Auto Iris per the change in light, but it highlights the color probs that I described. The last shot is better, but shows the lack of detail. It seems that few colors are used to make the skin tone, so instead of silky skin it's harsh and ruddy. At the same time the grass is off. Indoors it looks better. We set white balance on each of these, but not with a card.

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Great video. It's nice to be able to see the difference. I'm also trying Cine 5 and adjusting chroma phase.

Yes, we use the ND filters, tough not in a live shot. Do you think, from our footage, that we have a white balance problem, iris, or settings? We have harsh sun here in AZ, but it was never this bad with my FX1s.

When folks walk down he aisle, iris control is a challenge, as we're already panning an pulling. If we use auto, the bride becomes a silouette now and then. If manual, we get nightmare shots like my sample. Thoughts?
 
The camera operator should have manually closed the iris down as the people stepped in to the brighter light. It's difficult to do while focusing and panning but that's why good operators make the big bucks. I think your white balance is ok, it shows natural warm late afternoon lighting, the image is just overexposed.
 
DNathan said:
I'm getting blown out/redish skin tones that I never had with my FX1s. Am I missing something? I'm using F1 and manual iris. It seems like any skin tone is hot and right on the edge of blowing out. I'm filming outdoor weddings.

I want that detail back, and the color is too yellow/green! Thoughts?
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It looks like you are using Cine D and your exposure is too hot,
try using a different mode, turning your zebras on, put your preset A and preset B to zero, and white and black balance the camera. Then you should be good to go.
 
Green Hornet said:
It looks like you are using Cine D and your exposure is too hot,
try using a different mode, turning your zebras on, put your preset A and preset B to zero, and white and black balance the camera. Then you should be good to go.
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Do you mean to put the two white balance presets (A&B) to zero? I am not sure what you mean by that, but am interested to know.

Thanks,

Mike
 
FarCountry said:
Do you mean to put the two white balance presets (A&B) to zero? I am not sure what you mean by that, but am interested to know.

Thanks,

Mike
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Yes, put the two white balance presets to zero,
I have seen a few adjust that, and wonder why the color shifts in the direction of the adjustment...that is what is suposed to do.

Starting at zero has corrected many problems I have seen.

The yellow blow out is something you get with the gama of cine D, and overexposure/ high contrast lighting outside.
 
What do you mean when you say "put them to zero"? I know how to balance them off a white-card, is that the same thing?
 
Your footage looks way too blown out and hence the color blooming. On these cams you do have to ride iris and keep your zebras on and pop through the WFM to see what you are getting.. but you will get great looking stuff from it. It's basically the same sweet spot that you had with the HVX. I'd say to also put your zebras at 105 and to just get right below that but not at it... You can push it a bit, but don't go nuclear or you won't be able to bring it back in post.


Also do try to white balance as much as possible so you'll get conisistant stuff and I wouldn't adivse using AWB at all. If you are also shooting in the 1080 side of things you could use the DRS but realize that it comes with a bit of noise added.


This cam does require some work when shooting with it, but nothing out of the ordinary in terms of almost every other pro HD cam. Just try to avoide blowning it out.. and also put your skin tone detail on and you can dial down the color too..
 
After looking at the clip, I think the white balance was a bit off.

Maybe you WB'ed in the shadows and did not have enough of the late day sun factored in?

The grass and sky look off which were not over exposed to show over exposure blooming.

The skin tones look orange to me, which resembles the look of putting tungsten light in a 5600k balanced scene.

If you are shooting events like this, I would get a bunch of white cards the size to fit in a shirt or coat pocket and give them to all of your shooters.

White balance whenever they move to different lighting conditions thinking of the primary light source they shooting under.

Just my thoughts and I hope I do not offend if you already do this...
 
When shooting weddings, I like to white balance off of participants dresses or other white clothing in each scene. With the HMC in a scene like this, just WB in the sun and save it as one of the presets. Then you can WB inside or in the shade and save that as a preset also. Then it's just a flick of the switch to change locations.
 
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