Rode NTG-3

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muroshi

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I wanna get it as my first run-and-go mic. I will shoot mostly outside (and it should do better inside as 416 through the wider pick up pattern). Which shockmount would you get for it? And what wind protection is recommended?

Cheers,
Yannick
 
muroshi said:
I wanna get it as my first run-and-go mic. I will shoot mostly outside (and it should do better inside as 416 through the wider pick up pattern). Which shockmount would you get for it? And what wind protection is recommended?

Cheers,
Yannick
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I have been having good results with the Rycote Invision mount for my Schoeps. Have an NTG-3 on the way and I'm planning on using the same mount with it. It has almost identical dimensions to a 416 - the only difference is the Rode is 5mm longer - so I'd expect you could use the same wind protection for it as you would for the Senn. I'm planning to give a Rycote S-300 a try for mine.
 
Wow, certainly more expensive than 18cm Small Hole Softie - $110,

What will I gain? Better sound quality? Les hassle?

The Rode NTG-3 is 255mm and has a black foam windscreen which should make it even longer.
Rycote S-Series 330 Windshield and Suspension Kit - Fits Microphones Measuring 10 - 11" (260 - 280mm) Long

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/497432-REG/Rycote_010302_S_Series_330_Windshield_Kit.html

There is also a 200mm - 255mm, but I assume it's too small.
But I don't read anyhting of Rycote INV-7 in the specs. :( So I guess I have to order both??


Can I use it also with the MKH8050 later or do I have to buy such an expensive windscreen twice?
 
muroshi said:
Wow, certainly more expensive than 18cm Small Hole Softie - $110,

What will I gain? Better sound quality? Les hassle?

The Rode NTG-3 is 255mm and has a black foam windscreen which should make it even longer.
Rycote S-Series 330 Windshield and Suspension Kit - Fits Microphones Measuring 10 - 11" (260 - 280mm) Long

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/497432-REG/Rycote_010302_S_Series_330_Windshield_Kit.html

There is also a 200mm - 255mm, but I assume it's too small.
But I don't read anyhting of Rycote INV-7 in the specs. :( So I guess I have to order both??


Can I use it also with the MKH8050 later or do I have to buy such an expensive windscreen twice?
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You remove the foam windscreen when you place the mic inside the blimp. With the mic itself at 255mm, the S-300 set (200mm-255mm) is the correct one for it.

Strictly speaking if you have the S- series setup you don't need the Invision as you can remove the windscreen and connecting ring when you don't need them and just use the mounting bar and lyres. Having an Invision mount as well might make it a little more convenient for a quick changeover for those times such as indoors where you're just going to use the mic's foam windscreen is all, but it actually is somewhat redundent.

You can swap mics quickly so you really only need one windscreen unless you're using more than one mic at a time. The end pods of the blimp are available individually and are interchangeable so if you have a collection of mics that require different sizes you can buy one base kit plus some extra pods to mix and match to make up the sizes you need.
 
Would the premium line windshields of Rycote add much to quality (it's about 240$ more)?

Do I need another set of lyres? With the InVision Suspension I would need the INV-7. I wonder what lyres come with the s-series as I haven't seen it stated anywhere.
 
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muroshi said:
Would the premium line windshields of Rycote add much to quality (it's about 240$ more)?

Do I need another set of lyres? With the InVision Suspension I would need the INV-7. I wonder what lyres come with the s-series as I haven't seen it stated anywhere.
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AFAIK the lyres are the same.
 
muroshi said:
Okay. Do you use the angled or non angled xlr cable for it?
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I don't have that particular windscreen myself, planning on ordering one in a few weeks, so I haven't experimented with the connector yet. The pigtail that comes with the kit has straight-line connectors. I'm using my present Invision with an internally cabled boom pole whose cable comes with a right -angled XLR. I'm sure either one would work fine.
 
I personally think that the times of "the premium" are over, correct me if I'm wrong but the market has changed from a few to the many.

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muroshi said:
Would the premium line windshields of Rycote add much to quality (it's about 240$ more)?

Do I need another set of lyres? With the InVision Suspension I would need the INV-7. I wonder what lyres come with the s-series as I haven't seen it stated anywhere.
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Are you asking if the zepplin will do a much better job than a softie, the answer is yes, no contest. The dead air space inside the zepplin is what makes it really work.

also I would like to point out that the softie for $110 does not come with a shockmount, so all in all this is a much better deal even though it is a bit more money. Traditional rycote (or sennheiser) zepplins and fur can run into $1000 + so this is an amazing deal....
 
muroshi said:
Wow, certainly more expensive than 18cm Small Hole Softie - $110,
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That price would be the Softie only - a Softie with shockmount/pistol grip and Softie tail is slightly more than the equivalent S-series kit.


muroshi said:
What will I gain? Better sound quality? Les hassle?
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Both


muroshi said:
The Rode NTG-3 is 255mm and has a black foam windscreen which should make it even longer.
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You do *not* use the foam windshield inside a basket windshield - it would make the wind protection *worse*.


muroshi said:
Rycote S-Series 330 Windshield and Suspension Kit - Fits Microphones Measuring 10 - 11" (260 - 280mm) Long

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/497432-REG/Rycote_010302_S_Series_330_Windshield_Kit.html

There is also a 200mm - 255mm, but I assume it's too small.
But I don't read anyhting of Rycote INV-7 in the specs. :( So I guess I have to order both??
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 You don't need the INV-7 at all - unless you only want a stand mount. The suspension (equivalent to the INV-7) is included as part of the S-series kit.


muroshi said:
Can I use it also with the MKH8050 later or do I have to buy such an expensive windscreen twice?
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You can use the same, just buy smaller pods.
 
Thank you guys for your input

No I meant the difference among rycote windshield kit 3 (595$) versus the rycote s-series 300 (349$). This probably only can be answered by somebody who worked with both. I prefer to buy once and be happy, I don't have the money to buy twice and I don't wanna make compromises with sound. But if it makes no sense to go expensive then it shall be so.

You do *not* use the foam windshield inside a basket windshield - it would make the wind protection *worse*.
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Is there any sense in using it at all anymore if I get a zeppelin?
 
muroshi said:
Thank you guys for your input

No I meant the difference among rycote windshield kit 3 (595$) versus the rycote s-series 300 (349$). This probably only can be answered by somebody who worked with both. I prefer to buy once and be happy, I don't have the money to buy twice and I don't wanna make compromises with sound. But if it makes no sense to go expensive then it shall be so.



Is there any sense in using it at all anymore if I get a zeppelin?
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The more expensive system is more sophisticated and perhaps more versatile. If you can afford it, then go for it (but do make sure you get one of the new kits starting to ship this month that have the lyre mounting system). But for most purposes I doubt you'll find a signifigant performance difference between the two.

Zepps can change the mic's frequency response and pattern very slightly. The rule of thumb is to use the minimum shielding required by the conditions. So hang on to the foam - if you're using the mic in a non-reflective interior like a soundstage you don't need to worry about wind but you still want to shield the mic from minor air currents from air conditioning and mic movement and the foam could be more appropriate than the full zepp. When the mic is in the shot the foam isn't as obtrusive. It's also lighter - think of the boom operator's arms and shoulders! A classic example where the foam would be preferred to the Zepp would be the foam-shielded shotgun on a regular mic stand that was placed on the stage apron for the interview phase of the auditions on "So You Think You Can Dance" the past several seasons.
 
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Steve House has said it really.

The new Rycote basket windshield kits are starting to ship now - they come complete with the new "Lyre" suspensions and now include a new version of the ConnBox-1 (normally about $100 extra).

Anyone who has an old version can get an inexpensive upgrade kit to upgrade to the new "Lyre" suspensions.

A full basket windshield is slightly better than an S-series (but not much). The full windshield can be used without the windjammer if the wind is light and when wind is heavy the hair on the full Windjammer is abit loger.

The S-series has the advantage of cost and the fact h=that you can get extra "pods" to adjust it for different sized microphones.
 
Thank you very much, I asked Rycote and it would be the windshield kit 4, which would cost twice a s-300. I probably will go for the s-300 (s-series). I can almost buy a SD mm-1 with that money.
 
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