CallaghanFilms
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Henry Ford isn't celebrated for inventing the car...
but for the invention of the assembly line and other industrial super-innovations, which changed the world most substantially.
RIP: Steve Jobs
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but for the invention of the assembly line and other industrial super-innovations, which changed the world most substantially.
refocusedmedia
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Apple's forte is taking other people's innovation and ideas and making them simple, elegant, and polished... and then marketing them to the lowest common denominator. Regardless of how obnoxious it may be to those of us who don't have the white-walled blinders on, it is absolutely brilliant what they've accomplished with this simple strategy combined with ingenious marketing.
ZazaCast
Major Contributor
Yes... that's what I wrote in my previous post...I totally agree...he was a master marketer.
Batutta
Major Contributor
I think saying what he did was only marketing is not giving him nearly enough credit. He did engineer the first Apple computers along with Steve Wozniak into something people could use at home. It was the first home computer that could do useful things and that contribution can not be understated. If it had been up to the IBM's and XEROXES of the world computers never would have gotten out of the corporate environment. They didn't believe in home computers.
David G. Smith
Steak Knife Member
That is my understanding of the story also, BUT, Xerox did not know what they had, and did not develop it. Notice no Xerox smart phones, no Xerox notebook computers and no NLEs working on a Xerox OS.
Michael Anthony Horrigan
More Cowbell Pictures
I'm in the middle on this.
Bottom line, he changed millions of lives with his innovations. Probably one of the most influential people of his time.
I love him for PIXAR alone.
I hate to see people bickering over someones worth though. Especially so soon after their demise.
He left his mark, no doubt.
RiP
Bottom line, he changed millions of lives with his innovations. Probably one of the most influential people of his time.
I love him for PIXAR alone.
I hate to see people bickering over someones worth though. Especially so soon after their demise.
He left his mark, no doubt.
RiP
ZazaCast
Major Contributor
I get it, you're passionate about Apple products & that's cool. I started on a VIC-20 (which I still own), Commodore 64, Atari, Amiga, Apple, IBM, HP, Gateway & Dell.... they are all just tools to me. Love my iPod Touch and Shuffle... there's a tool for every job! (no pun intended)
RIP Steve, you will be missed.
Batutta
Major Contributor
Good quote from an article that explains what Steve did for those of you unimpressed by his contributions to the world--
" Not only are computers and their offspring ubiquitous—in the office, the school, the home, and even the pocket and the hand—but many people can’t imagine life without them. And that’s a big part of the legacy left by Steve Jobs. Not because he invented all (or, some might argue, any) of these things, but because he had the vision, the persistence, and the discipline to bring them to people other than the techies.
I don’t think you can overstate what an accomplishment that was. And yet Jobs humanized, if you will, not just the computer industry, but one industry after another: personal computers, animation, media players, media distribution, mobile phones, PDAs, smartphones, retail, tablet computing, software distribution. And those are just the direct influences. Over the past 25 years, industry after industry has adopted—or, in many cases, attempted but failed to adopt—Apple’s focus on both visual design and human-technology interaction. Apple’s influence has become so pervasive that we take it for granted. It’s even become hip to argue that it’s overstated."
http://www.macworld.com/article/162...nized_technology_made_the_magical_common.html
" Not only are computers and their offspring ubiquitous—in the office, the school, the home, and even the pocket and the hand—but many people can’t imagine life without them. And that’s a big part of the legacy left by Steve Jobs. Not because he invented all (or, some might argue, any) of these things, but because he had the vision, the persistence, and the discipline to bring them to people other than the techies.
I don’t think you can overstate what an accomplishment that was. And yet Jobs humanized, if you will, not just the computer industry, but one industry after another: personal computers, animation, media players, media distribution, mobile phones, PDAs, smartphones, retail, tablet computing, software distribution. And those are just the direct influences. Over the past 25 years, industry after industry has adopted—or, in many cases, attempted but failed to adopt—Apple’s focus on both visual design and human-technology interaction. Apple’s influence has become so pervasive that we take it for granted. It’s even become hip to argue that it’s overstated."
http://www.macworld.com/article/162...nized_technology_made_the_magical_common.html
Batutta
Major Contributor
This is maybe what you don't understand. Apple preceded Microsoft and IBM in the home computer market. He created the playing field, not them. The main reason they became more ubiquitous was because Jobs refused to license his technology to third party manufacturers.
David G. Smith
Steak Knife Member
That would be the point.
uhh...not just a master marketer. the guy was visionary. he changed the computer industry, several industries, and had a profound impact on how people live and create with technology. that's no small thing that should be diminished by his savvy marketing.
CallaghanFilms
Veteran
So you're saying the direct results of Henry Ford
(from his paving the way for motored transportation at every household
to his changing the very nature of nearly every aspect of every industry)
equates to someone who gave the world convenient portability for
their Achtung Baby tracts and epic matches of Angry Birds?
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
LiamR
Well-known member
Jobs got fired from Apple (stating: it was the greatest thing that could of happened to his career), Convinced Gates to donate to the dying apple brand, Took that money, sued Gates/Microsoft for copyright infringement, won the settlement, took the money and created the iPod, marketing slap to the face.
Rick Burnett
Section Moderator
Well the first computer I ever used was an Apple II in 4th grade, that I was programming. I'd say that has a profound impact on my life at a time where things where shaping who I was. Jobs made computers VERY accessible in schools, something my parents could never afford. It shaped my life. I'd say that's a pretty big contribution for me.
Peter J. DeCrescenzo
Veteran
A friend of mine who works at Apple sent me this photo of a rainbow which appeared over Steve Jobs' office in Cupertino, CA. The photo was taken the day after Steve died.
RIP Steve. And thanks.
RIP Steve. And thanks.
ZazaCast
Major Contributor
I don't want to keep harping on this...but in 1982 the VIC-20 was the best-selling computer of the year, with 800,000 machines sold. It was the first 'home' computer and established the playing field.
In 1981, I was dialing into PAN on my trusty VIC-20 (http://www.pan.com/)!
(my last post on a subject that has no winners)
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Nathyn
Low Budget Ninja
Yes and many of us are here, because of advancements like these, such as editing video on a home computer be it a desktop or laptop. While others may have done it Apple put that extra thing into it that made you comfortable with working with it. That ease of use that made things easy. The person who showed me how to use Final Cut had never used it before. He simply looked for common tools, but this was all new to me and even he remarked how different FCP was. My producer bought his first Imac after that session and cutting together a basic comedic short. He bought an AV Imac, with the DVD player. In those days we shot on a Panasonic PVDV100, then moved up to a Panasonic DVX100 (how I ended up here).
Currently a few weeks ago his film was entered in the "best of" at a film festival. He shot it on the Red. My camera is a Canon HG10, but I'm shooting my film on my DP's 5D and cutting in FCP6. The next step right now is the VG20 a new computer and FCPX.
I've been with FCP since the first version. I bought my G4 simply to use it. It's ran versions 1 - 5 with no problem. I run 6 on my G5 and will soon have a new MacPro or iMac which I will continue to run 6 and X. Once I'm done with Epitaph, I will remove 6 completely which will force me to learn the new architecture, which I find stunning and having many things I would want in an editing program. Editing was done in a specific way so I didn't think FCP would ever change because it's interface was common enough, but I was wrong.
I know some hate FCPX because it's different or simply feel it's "not usuable" or not "professional". But this is what "professionals" told me about Final Cut Pro when I first started using it. I can see how it can become possibly the next wave and I won't be surprised if others add things like it or recreate their packages to match in the next few years.
-Nate
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Batutta
Major Contributor
This whole discussion came about because some people didn't understand the outpouring of grief over his death. Jobs was an important person. He changed people's lives. This cannot be disputed, and this is why people grieve over his death. On top of this, he was a media personality, the very public face of a company, so his face became known to many. And his story, of a man of modest means who took his passion from this--
--into a multi billion dollar company, is an inspiration. Jobs wasn't just some wealthy entrepreneur who was looking for something to make money off of and found Wozniak. He had a passion and enthusiasm for computers, which lead him to befriending Wozniak, and from their passion created something great. It's the dream probably everyone here has. His story resonates with people. Spielberg didn't invent the movies, but if he died tomorrow, we'd see a similar outpouring of grief because of what he did with the form. Perhaps some are chafing at Jobs being compared to Edison, as Jobs didn't invent anything, but Edison didn't really come up with the idea for the light bulb either. He just made it better.
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