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JoeJITSU said:
I bought the DSLR rig kit 11 and I must say..I expected the rails to be stainless or chromed steel. The rails are steel but painted a silver gray(pretty cheap). The mattebox is nice...the follow focus is decent. The only thing I can say is ...If it weren't for that counter balance it would really put allot of wear on your upper body. The rig is HEAVY! I would go for the Ultracompact Rig.
http://www.indisystem.com/products/ultra_compact

I believe Vitaliy bought this. I would like a review from him if he did. :)
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thats right, I forgot about this- I too would like to hear anything from Vitaliy on this
 
This thing is still on the way to me.
So, may be review will be around end of October or in November only.
 
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the ULTRA COMPACT looks like the go, but is it just me, or do the INDISYSTEM follow focus look like flimsy toys compared to the OP's CINECITY link?
Would the CINECITY follow focus fit on the INDISYSTEM ULTRA COMPACT?
This trying to pick a shoulder mount is a nightmare. lol
 
jedman1 said:
the ULTRA COMPACT looks like the go, but is it just me, or do the INDISYSTEM follow focus look like flimsy toys compared to the OP's CINECITY link?
Would the CINECITY follow focus fit on the INDISYSTEM ULTRA COMPACT?
This trying to pick a shoulder mount is a nightmare. lol
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I have the Follow focus and it is decent. I will be buying the Jag35 follow focus soon though for either my 7D or Markii
 
Joe, where do you think most of the weight is in your DSLR KIT 11?
It does look front heavy, if you remove the mattebox is it still really heavy?
The DSLR kit 3 does look like a bargain, if follow focus is good, I cant see how you could do better for the price.
 
If I can do it all over again, I would buy the said INDISYSTEM ULTRA COMPACT and the mattebox from Cinecity and follow focus from Jag35.
I am planning on buying this setup for the 5DM2 or 7D I will have.
The total weight is pretty heavy even though I have the counter weights. I cannot hold it more than 30 minutes at a time.
 
Blackout said:
Gini rigs would be nice if they actually mailed you your product when you paid for it.

http://dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=199874
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Are you serious?

Your link does not support your generalization at all. The buyer is asking if anyone knows the seller's address because he needs it to file a lost package report with the Brazilian Mail. The Brazilian mail lost his package. I don't know how you gathered that Gini1989 somehow didn't send him the item.

For the record, I have recently ordered and received products from Gini1989 on eBay, as have many others after me that I know of. For a man who speaks little English and lives in a country halfway across the globe, I was pretty impressed with my buying experience overall. Very well built and configurable rigs. He even included extra parts at no charge.

Did you have a personal experience buying a Gini rig that warrants your rather untrue and generalized remark, or did you just pull that one out of thin air?
 
CPM Film Tools said:
Looks like they REALLY....REALLY watch cinema5D. Looks like Cory Easoms Rig. Not cool, not cool at all...

Steve
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Right, they are even closer to Corys rig than mine. And I thought they just don't got the thing with two different rod sizes on mine.

Frank
 
lpowell said:
I ordered the Pro-Aim RS-2 Rail System from what appears to be CineCity's sister website, DVCity. I think it's a good value for the money, but as Vitaliy said, it's not the best. In addition to being rather heavy, the machining of the rail mounts is not very precise. I bought two quick release plates for the camera mount, and one of them only barely fits inside the mount bracket. Also, the hand-tightened locking bolts are very inconsistent in the amount of torque required to secure the mounts.
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Had the same problem with the plate from a Giotto 621. Just back the clamp screw out a bit and it will fit OK.
 
Kind of new to the idea of using a shoudler rig but realizing I am definitely needing one now. I have normally worked in narrative where the camera was always locked down or moved with a dolly and track but am going to be shooting verite on next project.

Couple of "newb" questions if anyone would be kind enough to answer...

1) Looking for example at this rig http://www.indisystem.com/products/ultra_compact why would there be the need for the cross bar in the front with the two handles. Wouldn't it make sense to just have one handle such as this rig http://express35.com/shoulder-rig-lite/831/, as your other hand would be constantly focusing???

2) How can you tell if a rig is balanced or not balanced??? Would adding small weights to the back of either of the above rigs help in balancing???

Thanks a lot... just don't want to waste time and money
 
CPM Film Tools said:
Looks like they REALLY....REALLY watch cinema5D. Looks like Cory Easoms Rig. Not cool, not cool at all...

Steve
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Reports from IBC and Photokina.

There were about 30 to 50 manufacturers with all these cages from China and S-Korea at IBC and most importantly at Photokina this year. Everyone had at least copied Redrock, CPM or Cory but the scale is huge, HUGE.

It seems that most of the copycats even didn't know what to ask for these pieces or how to use these as these were just copy products, but made for $5...

All these cages, as well as regular lcd viewfinders will be dead in a year exept for the established brands or if agressive pricing will be introduced.

S-Korea is the most-to-be-feared-of as even Hoodman has been using their services for years and now they have realized the potential. But as S-Korea is manufacturing all their stuf in China... Can you/we compete?!

T
 
The dvcity stuff is crap. I bought a rig that is a Cavision ripoff. Their rods are supposed to go all the way through the tripod mount, but they don't. They go in about 10% and are stopped because the holes between two sections don't line up. The only things that were really usable are the Redrock knockoff follow focus gears.

For any rig, I would recommend to go with a more reputable manufacturer. It's worth the extra cost, because you will use it for life. If you buy the knockoff stuff, you'll just be upgrading to the better stuff later anyway.
 
Toenis said:
Reports from IBC and Photokina.

S-Korea is the most-to-be-feared-of as even Hoodman has been using their services for years and now they have realized the potential. But as S-Korea is manufacturing all their stuf in China... Can you/we compete?!

T
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Innovation goes a long way. Duplication is pretty easy. Of benefit to us is our line is nearly 40 injection molds, with the FF and Geared head it will top 50. Since we design, build and process the tooling in house we believe that helps us to compete.

We went the China route 4 years ago when everyone was doing it. First and last tool we had built there. We used a US broker; the price doubled, the shop in China changed hands twice, and the lead time went from 8 weeks to 18. That’s when we decided to bring all tooling in house and spun off CPM Fastools. However, instead of just equipping a standard machine shop we decided to go with the latest in rapid manufacturing; Direct to Metal laser sintering, Cryogenic processing, FDM rapid proto- type and the usual CNC machines. The technology helped us to win the 2006 SBA small business of the year for the State of Maryland.

So I think we (you and I as manufacturers) can compete. We certainly cannot stop duplication but we can move forward with innovation, standing behind our customers and listening to their feedback and making changes to our current products. Harder to hit a moving target then one that stands still.

Steve
 
CPM Film Tools said:
with the FF and Geared head ....

standing behind our customers and listening to their feedback and making changes to our current products.
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Word! Customer relations gets more important every day.
This is a huge advantage small business has over huge manufacturers.
When I call Sony, I speak to a Polish girl, that sits in a Irish call center and has no idea what I´m talking about.

When I call someone with a small or even family business, I have the chance to talk to the engineer or the guy at the machine. Difference of day and night, cause everyone is really involved and cares.

The web and forums like that makes it even easier to get feedback and react to experience in the field.

And yeah, can´t wait for the FF and the geared head. Any news on those Steve?

Frank
 
Made few very small tests of this thing -
http://www.indisystem.com/products/ultra_compact

Initial expirience is that this is average design ruined by not so good execution.
My right handle do not fix propertly because threads are made under wrong angle and main hole is of wrong diameter and also under an angle.
Few fix parts are made in such way that they'll damage rods that they are mounted on and anyway good fixing is not possible.
In each part of this rig you can see that it is cheap, cheap, cheap.
It has carbon rails, but this is accompaned by pieces of aluminium that can be made times smaller using proper CNC.
It looke like none of rig pieces are CNC machined as I understand, and all are cheaply painted instead of proper anodizing.

If you want rig to shoot each day for reasonable amount of money you must carefully look at Korean and Chinese made
before going Indie route.
 
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