Rewatched Pulp Fiction

Peckinpah deserves all the praise due to anyone who can choreograph multiple cameras running at various speeds all while being coked out of his f*ckin' mind!!
 
I do prefer a sack and not some sappy surreal abstract emotion. I need some depth. I need machismo.
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I do like to watch a movie that features sappy surreal abstract emotion. Just depends on my mood.

But on occasion i also am in the mood to watch a movie with Huge Freaking Cojones. Which is why i own flicks like The Good The Bad and The Ugly, Pale Rider, Once Upon a Time in the West, Wild Bunch, Dirty Dozen, Pulp Fiction, and countless other flicks like this.

To me they're all classic. They may not have the depth of a Godard, Almodovar, Bergman, Truffaut, Fellini, or Gondry. (and that is a point i would certainly argue on some of the films I've listed.)

But they are amazing films. Just films of a different kind.

So i think to call Hudson juvenile for wanting some machismo in his films is pretentious on your part.
 
What I suspect happened was that Hudson reframed the argument by saying he'd take QT over Go(n)dry any day, because QT's films have machismo. But that's a different discussion. I continued on the same discussion (i.e., originality in today's auteurs) and deduced that machismo=originality in Hudson's mind based on his baseless shift in the topic. I find the mindset that machismo=originality juvenile. The kind of thing I'd expect from a teenage boy, not an experienced filmmaker. Savvy?

I like machismo in my films sometimes as well. No argument there. Some fantastic films have more testosterone than healthy. But I'd hardly use that as a criteria for originality.
 
Hairy Lime said:
What I suspect happened was that Hudson reframed the argument by saying he'd take QT over Go(n)dry any day, because QT's films have machismo. But that's a different discussion. I continued on the same discussion (i.e., originality in today's auteurs) and deduced that machismo=originality in Hudson's mind based on his baseless shift in the topic. I find the mindset that machismo=originality juvenile. The kind of thing I'd expect from a teenage boy, not an experienced filmmaker. Savvy?

I like machismo in my films sometimes as well. No argument there. Some fantastic films have more testosterone than healthy. But I'd hardly use that as a criteria for originality.
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Well you deduced incorrectly Sherlock.
 
For me, QT's originality comes from the way he writes dialogue. There is absolutely NO ONE today that can write the way he does. People don't really talk like characters in the movies but he sure makes you believe they do.

The opening of Reservoir Dogs is brilliant. I used to believe and actually argued that it didn't move the story. But it does. It tells us exactly WHO everyone of those characters are and how they fit in the pecking order.

Pulp Fiction...I'm sorry but you gotta love the McDonalds dialogue in the car. And the way they stop outside the apartment while discussing the foot rub...again, a brilliant touch. We learn so much about their character from these seemingly meaningless exchanges... not to mention what happens when they enter the room.

Jackie Brown is just a flat out masterpiece in adaptation. He could have taken Rum Punch and made it a strict ADAPTATION but the changes he made were truly inspired.

And what other director can do so much for an actor's career. John Travolta, Robert Forster, Pam Grier . He catapulted Samuel L. Jackson to stardom.

Think of how he's used cameos or big time actors in smaller than usual parts: Christopher Walken and Bruce Willis.

As much as I like Michael Madsen he needs to than QT everyday he wakes up for the "coolness" QT has bestowed upon him.

A lot of people use songs well in a movie, but other than Lucas and American Grafitti, I can't think of anyone who has made them a character in his movies the way QT does.

We all stand on the shoulders of those who came before us...it's how we handle what we've learned and how we implement it that makes us original. If we can take what we've learned from others and mold it into something fresh and new but yet still retain that feeling of familiarity, yes I call that original as well as inspired.
 
Baseless shift ? juvenile ? teenage boy ?

I got into an argument with an ex girlfriend once and told her to stop acting like a *****. She said 'Don't call me a *****'. I said I didnt call you one, I said you are acting like one.

I can't imagine you're actually calling me a juvenile, right ?

Let's watch the tone Lime. Savvy that ?

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If you deduced that machismo = orginality in my mind, then you're focusing too hard on the linear word. Try and have a more abstract view on the subject.

There is nothing baseless about it. Gondry is original. Tarantino is original. Ill take Quentins films anyday based purely on having a pulserate above 70 but moreso I find Tarantino to have a better understanding of Mis-en-scene and the language of cinema overall than Gondry does. Gondry gets mad props from me for his bringing a surreal quality to his cinema but his general verite is rudiment as his his body of work.

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Excellent points Blaine.

A lot of people use songs well in a movie, but other than Lucas and American Grafitti, I can't think of anyone who has made them a character in his movies the way QT does.
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But i would say he's neck and neck with Scorsese on that front.

Goodfellas really opened my eyes to the world of Clapton.

There is nothing baseless about it. Gondry is original. Tarantino is original. Ill take Quentins films anyday based purely on having a pulserate above 70 but moreso I find Tarantino to have a better understanding of Mis-en-scene and the language of cinema overall than Gondry does. Gondry gets mad props from me for his bringing a surreal quality to his cinema but his general verite is rudiment as his his body of work.
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Wow thats what i like to call:

Hitting the nail on the head.

I got into an argument with an ex girlfriend once and told her to stop acting like a *****. She said 'Don't call me a *****'. I said I didnt call you one, I said you are acting like one.
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Holy Crap i said the exact same thing to an ex. And on more than one occasion. To my knowledge she's still acting like one.

Dames.
 
Kubrick's use of music in his movies is far more profound then any other director. Come on, the use of Singing in the Raid during Clockwork Orange? The great selection of classical music used with 2001 matching the imagery.

This is not meant to knock QT at all, before this thread turns into that.

Both men understand the importance of music along with the "action" or lack thereof within their movies.


Blaine said:
He catapulted Samuel L. Jackson to stardom.
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And should be shot for it!!! :kali: :costumed-smiley-047 (I kid)
 
The vast majority of Kubrick's movies don't hold up for me. I liked them when I first saw them (some of them, anyway) but my opinion of them has diminished with time.
 
Come on, the use of Singing in the Raid during Clockwork Orange?
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A Fine Point.

I also still love the use of Thus Spake Zarathustra in 2001. I know thats a cliche but i still really love that movie and if you have a problem with that then :


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Blaine said:
The vast majority of Kubrick's movies don't hold up for me. I liked them when I first saw them (some of them, anyway) but my opinion of them has diminished with time.
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I know exactly how you feel, just with another director.
 
I never got the Kubrick phenomenon; I like a few of his films and consider The Shining and Full Metal Jacket to be at the top of their respected genres but the godlike status he seems to be held in is a mystery to me.

I think many may get caught up in his shunning of Hollywood and maverick approach during his career.
 
John_Hudson said:
I think many may get caught up in his shunning of Hollywood and maverick approach during his career.
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QFT

I am a huge fan of Kubrick, but when I talk to others about his movies, especially those who say they are his favourite they can rarely come up with any kind of reasoning why they consider him and his movies great.

It really is trendy to like Kubrick. I see lots of kids wearing tshirts with his face on it recently, he is like the new Che shirt.
 
John_Hudson said:
I think many may get caught up in his shunning of Hollywood and maverick approach during his career.
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that has something to do with it but there are more substantive reasons... a number of his work were considered to be extreme, or controversial, when they first came out. Hell Clockwork is still controversial. He achieved considerable commerical success while maintaining ALL his creative freedom from Lolita onwards, for most people it's one or the other (QT is a modern exception). None of his movies suck, or even come close to it.

This auteur/perfection/stubborn/maverick/bold/controversy/secrecy/mystery blend is very appealing to people (ok my grammar sucks). The fact that he made so few films probably helped raise his status more.
 
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