Renting HVx200 and XLH1 same day: Any suggestions?

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Kholi

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I had initially been planning to rent the HVX200 for testing, more so to decide if I'm going to use it for my short or not. But, seems like we'll be doing XLH1 and the HVX200 at the same time.

I've been reading MORE about the HVX200 than the XLH1, but given this new information I'm going to do a REALLY quick note-taking session on the Canon so I know what to expect.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what to compare between the two, side by side?

Can anyone give me a really good handful of threads to read and research the XLH1 before we go out and rent it.

There's no doubt, we WILL be renting both of them... and whichever is the best we'll probably invest in two.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.
 
Kholi said:
Does anyone have any suggestions on what to compare between the two, side by side?
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Kholi:

I only have ONE request. Shoot blue sky, full frame, 0dB on both cameras. See how noisy the blue sky looks on playback. Thanks.
 
Okay.

Anyone wanting tests of certain things, leave them in this thread and I'll try to fit them in over the weekend. We're doing a full weekend rental as far as I know.

Also, I'm going to try to do a straight to DVD test or something similar. Im going to start compiling that this week.
 
Excellent news Kholi !

I believe Emanual posted a link to these settings for the HVX200:

Gamma: Black Press (also compare with cinelike-V)

Color Matrix: Normal gamma

Detail coring: +7

Detail Level: -5


If posting footage is to much.
Post frame grabs in various lighting conditions.

Thanks, Steve
 
Danillo, if you set the H1 to -3bd you lose a ton of light, get over it.

There's such a large trade off with losing that much light that hell, I'd rather have noise than have to light it with twice the power.

Your point is mute Danillo.
 
If someone will host the videos, that's fine. I'll do frame grabs for as long as they'll last.

It turns out this'll be a full weekend try out, in studio and out so I'll have a good amount of time to test.

It might make people feel better to say that I'll have professionals testing with me. While I may not be knowledgeable, they are and they're just as excited as I am to simply test the cameras side by side.
 
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I remember reading that the Sony has a real problem with rapid pans; just too much information to compress it all. Might be interesting to see how the Canon does with a rapid pan. Also, complex random movement, like watter ripples, watter spray, a fireplace, trees in the wind would prove interesting to see how well Canon 1080 @60i, 30F, and 24F holds up. Maybe a tight shot of lots of cars moving through the image...


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Alrighty. One of the guys brought up fast pans and moving subjects already while at work, so we'll be doing that.

Will be reserving camera spots tomorrow. I thought that EVS was out for the weekend on the HVX200, but maybe I was wrong. Just need to get that and we're good to go.
 
Mr. Blonde,

I have shot quite a bit with the XL2 and almost ALWAYS shoot -3db. I do not need a TON more light. In fact, since I'm almost always using ND filters the -3 setting helps control light. And yes, the noise on the Canon at that setting, when properly lit, is virtually non existent. In fact, this is one of the reasons why I purchased the camera, the lack of noise....

So I would suggest you should be the one to "get over it".

Matt
 
Kholi said:
If someone will host the videos, that's fine. I'll do frame grabs for as long as they'll last.

It turns out this'll be a full weekend try out, in studio and out so I'll have a good amount of time to test.

It might make people feel better to say that I'll have professionals testing with me. While I may not be knowledgeable, they are and they're just as excited as I am to simply test the cameras side by side.
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Let me know if you need hosting. Just PM me
 
Matt, my point is that you need quite a bit more light in order to properly expose a shot at -3db vs 0db. My point still stands. Thanks for the concern Matt.
 
And I would continue to disagree with you. Unless perhaps my perspective is skewed because I'm always using a lot of lights, but never has shooting at -3 been an issue - ever. Look, I'm no big fan of Canon's HD solution, I've made that clear here. But most of your negative points regarding their cameras are just plain wrong, including this one. Which wouldn't be so bad if you didn't come off the way you do...

I have to ask if you've had much hands on experience shooting either of the Canon cameras at -3db?

Matt
 
And you feel that shooting at -3 requires such an inordinate amount of light as to make the setting unusable??

That is how your post read, and I just can't see it (pun intended).
 
Mr. Blonde said:
Matt, my point is that you need quite a bit more light in order to properly expose a shot at -3db vs 0db. My point still stands. Thanks for the concern Matt.
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I'll have what Mr. Blonde is smoking.:huh:

The difference between -3 and 0 db is less than one stop. I feel the slight light loss is worth any gain in video quality. After reading your posts, I picked up an XL1s to make sure it wasn't different from every other broadcast camera I've used: nope, its pretty much the same, very little light lost. Unless you're shooting in a dimly lit room I can't imagine it being a factor. You must really hate those 35mm adapters that eat up 1 to 2 stops of light.

Just a shot in the dark here: Does the HVX not offer -3?
 
The only reason the -3db point is being brought up is because some people believe that it will solve any and all noise problems. Noise has been evident in low light (dimly lit rooms) with the HVX200 at 0db where light is a factor, so yes Steve -3db is a factor in this situation. The HVX performs just fine and noise free in outdoor settings. And no, there isn't a -3db setting on the HVX.

Steve, smoking is bad for your health by the way. :thumbsup:
 
Mr. Blonde said:
Danillo, if you set the H1 to -3bd you lose a ton of light, get over it.

There's such a large trade off with losing that much light that hell, I'd rather have noise than have to light it with twice the power.

Your point is mute Danillo.
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You seem overly concerned that someone will use the '-3' option. At worst someone loses >1 stop of light, at best someone gets a cleaner signal. Just because the HVX doesn't have it, doesn't mean its not a valid feature. Are you afraid of what people will see if they compare H1 at -3 db to HVX at 0 db? Sure, there are times when it'll be too dark to shoot at -3, but when you have enough light, why not use your tools at their optimum settings? Its one thing to prefer Fords, its another thing to shoot the tires out on every Chevy you pass.
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