Regional "Emmy Award Winners" are frauds and should go to prison.

... As far as I know, Oscar winners can call themselves Academy Award winners, even if their particular Oscar was in an obscure field or a Student category, for example. And those who earn doctorate degrees are entitled to use the honorific term "doctor", whether they're a physician or not (while most with doctorate decrees choose not to decorate themselves with such a title, generally unless they're a PhD). ..
Back many years ago, we knew a Soviet emigre who always introduced himself as Dr. Kush***** (more letters for a real name). And, before we had even met him, someone else told us, "He always introduces himself as a doctor but he's only got a PhD equivalent in a non-medical field".

As an aside note on titles, in Germany an engineer with a masters' degree can call himself/herself Diplom-Ingenieur (abbreviated to Dipl-Ing, as something one puts on his business card). The difference here from the US - but this was the same as in the USSR and other nations that copied the German system - is that in order to get the diploma, one would have to do an additional presentation on a given topic to a cadre of professors, while fielding their questions. My father's Masters in Engineering was diploma defended as well. Someone told him he should put it on his business card and resume as well. He just shrugged it off. Because then you'd have to explain the whole process to Americans. In English.
 
Well yes, it is good for the Emmy's business to encourage this fraud and deception so of course they would say that. That doesn't make it right. Just like if the "Eric Coughlin Academy Awards" sends out a letter saying you can call yourself an "Academy Award Winner" if you win an "Eric Coughlin Academy Award," do that mean it's okay to call yourself an "Academy Award Winner" then?

I don't see why it is so difficult for people in their marketing to simply put the word "Regional" in with their listing of "Emmy Award Winning." I feel like that is the best and clearest solution to avoid misleading clients rather than letting clients falsely think you won a big nationwide award. I'd imagine many who list "Emmy Award Winning" on their website and in their marketing are aware of how they are intentionally misleading clients, but choose to do so regardless.

Nope. "Academy Award" is a trademark of AMPAS. You couldn't even call your awards the "Eric Coughlin Academy Awards", much less giving someone permission to call themselves an "Academy Award Winner" for winning your award.
 
And let me clarify: I have no problem with your stance or opinions on this issue, I understand what you're saying.

The thing I have a problem with is your proposed remedy. I think there are civil ways to deal with it, and there are scorched earth nuclear options, and I think starting out at scorched earth is extremely unwarranted and civility would be more welcome.
Just to clarify, Barry, as filmguy mentioned I was being a bit melodramatic with the "prison" thing as an exaggeration. More literally, I just think that as a video community we should spread awareness of these marketing schemes being something to be frowned upon and avoided, as unfortunately they seem to be commonplace now.
 
Nope. "Academy Award" is a trademark of AMPAS. You couldn't even call your awards the "Eric Coughlin Academy Awards", much less giving someone permission to call themselves an "Academy Award Winner" for winning your award.
Yeah, but when I run my award ceremony from a country without extradition and that doesn't honor American copyright laws, what are they going to do?
 
Back many years ago, we knew a Soviet emigre who always introduced himself as Dr. Kush***** (more letters for a real name). And, before we had even met him, someone else told us, "He always introduces himself as a doctor but he's only got a PhD equivalent in a non-medical field".

As an aside note on titles, in Germany an engineer with a masters' degree can call himself/herself Diplom-Ingenieur (abbreviated to Dipl-Ing, as something one puts on his business card). The difference here from the US - but this was the same as in the USSR and other nations that copied the German system - is that in order to get the diploma, one would have to do an additional presentation on a given topic to a cadre of professors, while fielding their questions. My father's Masters in Engineering was diploma defended as well. Someone told him he should put it on his business card and resume as well. He just shrugged it off. Because then you'd have to explain the whole process to Americans. In English.

Continuing down this rabbit hole, the term "doctor" originates from latin for "teacher". "Doctor" was used to refer to an 'especially learned person who was authorized and qualified to teach a particular subject'. So while the designation MD (doctor of medicine) does predate PhD (doctor of philosophy) by more than 100 years, the term "Doctor" as a description/title for a teacher/especially learned person, like one with a PhD today, was first.
 
*PLOT TWIST*

Taken directly from the nataspsw.org website:

PROMOTION

All publicity, advertising or any written reference undertaken by nominees and award recipients to the Emmy® Awards, must clearly state that the awarded achievement is for a Regional Emmy® Award. The word “Regional” must appear in these instances. The recipient of a nomination or an Emmy® Award may refer in advertising and publicity to the fact that they have been honored only for one year after the recognition was bestowed. They may use a replica of the Emmy® statuette in such advertising. Individuals who significantly contributed to the production or craft but were not honored with a statuette cannot specifically advertise they are an Emmy® award recipient. They can only state they worked on the recognized program.



Also, serious question: What happens after a year passes? You can't say that you won an Emmy or you're just no longer allowed to promote your win?
 
Yeah, but when I run my award ceremony from a country without extradition and that doesn't honor American copyright laws, what are they going to do?

I think they call Arri and have them remotely brick your cameras. You don't think it's a coincidence that most of the Oscar winning movies are shot on Arri cameras, do you? One hand washes the other... I'd buy some tinfoil and wrap them up.
 
One could do a fake Academy Award like tens of Chinese brands that are ADIDAS knock-offs. The difference is that the perceived target audience is likely to notice someone winning an Oscarr.
 
*PLOT TWIST*

Taken directly from the nataspsw.org website:

PROMOTION

All publicity, advertising or any written reference undertaken by nominees and award recipients to the Emmy® Awards, must clearly state that the awarded achievement is for a Regional Emmy® Award.
Hah! Good find, and that certainly changes things!

I certainly don't remember such language from when I entered, which was around 20 years ago, so I wonder if this policy is newer? The way I remember it, the 1 year thing was a restriction on using the image of the trophy in ads or press releases; you were allowed to use it for up to one year after winning.

Well, it looks like the method for correction already exists, and people concerned about this issue need only report the offender to the appropriate NATAS chapter (assuming this policy isn't specific to the PSW chapter).


Eric, sincere apologies; I thought I was giving accurate information as I remembered it, but you are correct, regional winners not only should specify Regional, they are required to (at least under the current PSW chapter's rules).
 
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I would prefer an alt academy awards “ Eric Coughlins cavalcade of academy awards on ice, sponsored by slim Jim “. Before my time but in 1964 the American Beatles” had an incredibly successful south American tour. And South America seem to be fine from the experience except for that whole Pinochet thing.
 
Continuing down this rabbit hole, the term "doctor" originates from latin for "teacher". "Doctor" was used to refer to an 'especially learned person who was authorized and qualified to teach a particular subject'. So while the designation MD (doctor of medicine) does predate PhD (doctor of philosophy) by more than 100 years, the term "Doctor" as a description/title for a teacher/especially learned person, like one with a PhD today, was first.

You can only climbs out of that rabbit hole if you're Alice and ten feet tall.

So, scouring Wikipedia a little and recalling some of the old times - as I had mentioned, the Soviet universities gave out diplomas to those who went through the complete process and that was equivalent to a master's degree. A four year bachelor's was not offered. After the graduation, one could further pursue two more degrees - the Candidate of Sciences and the Doctor of Sciences. The doctor program could take as many as ten years. However, when translating and transferring these academic titles to the British/American educational system, the Candidates were allowed to claim PhD's. This is where the gripe against Dr. Kush... may have originated. Technically, in the eyes of the Russian immigrants, he wasn't a full fledged Doctor because he was only a Candidate. In the USSR, that was considered an intellectual fraud, although, he was unlikely to be arrested for claiming it. In other words, while Dr. Kush was a very smart guy, the emigres thought of him more as a BS artist.
 
I would prefer an alt academy awards “ Eric Coughlins cavalcade of academy awards on ice, sponsored by slim Jim “. Before my time but in 1964 the American Beatles” had an incredibly successful south American tour. And South America seem to be fine from the experience except for that whole Pinochet thing.

Most people have never heard of the "American Beatles".

But this was nothing compared to what was happening at the end of the USSR and the immediate post-split nations circa 1991-1993. By 1987 or so, with Gorbachev's enacted glasnost; and perestroika, one could actually purchase foreign music. Guys went for metal, girls went for Boys Bands. In economics, this means a price signal. The Soviet made Boy Bands began to record and tour extensively and began to earn sums unheard of thereto.

And here's how the system worked. A producer got a really good looking kid to "record" an album. If the kid couldn't sing worth a lick, a professional singer was hired (and hired cheaply too). Then the star performer went on tour. Where he sort of danced on stage as a pale imitation of Michael Jackson (which would make him really, really, really pale), with the audio coming off a CD. In Russian, it was called "fanera" (literally, engineered wood, a Russian language euphemism for lip-sync).

But here is where it gets outright insane. The star performers suddenly multiplied. To extent the analogy further, at any given moment, there could have been half a dozen "Michael Jackson's" touring the Soviet or post-Soviet space. It was the means for the record company owners and promoters to make megabucks. A totally different version of Jackson Five. This was Jackson Times Six.

And the funny thing about it is that, much like with the American Beatles, the audience didn't care. It was entertainment that no one had seen before at all. The staid, aging, nailed-to-the-floor, approved--by-the-apparatchiks communist era acts were out. Dance music was in.

PS. For historical context, a member of a top Soviet band could make 1,000-1,500 rubles per month of touring (an average wage in the USSR was ~ 100 in the early 1970's, climbing to ~ 120 by the end of the 1970's and to 200 by the end of the 1980's). When private commerce became legal, many younger performers quit their government controlled positions and formed their own bands. I caught an interview with one very popular 70's songwriter, who did just that in the mid/late 1980's. He said, "My mom was visiting me one day and I asked if she needed a little financial help. She said she was grateful but didn't want to be a burden on her children. Then I showed her a suitcase with 80,000 rubles. She nearly fainted, thinking that I must have killed someone to get this much money".
 
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You can only climbs out of that rabbit hole if you're Alice and ten feet tall.

So, scouring Wikipedia a little and recalling some of the old times - as I had mentioned, the Soviet universities gave out diplomas to those who went through the complete process and that was equivalent to a master's degree. A four year bachelor's was not offered. After the graduation, one could further pursue two more degrees - the Candidate of Sciences and the Doctor of Sciences. The doctor program could take as many as ten years. However, when translating and transferring these academic titles to the British/American educational system, the Candidates were allowed to claim PhD's. This is where the gripe against Dr. Kush... may have originated. Technically, in the eyes of the Russian immigrants, he wasn't a full fledged Doctor because he was only a Candidate. In the USSR, that was considered an intellectual fraud, although, he was unlikely to be arrested for claiming it. In other words, while Dr. Kush was a very smart guy, the emigres thought of him more as a BS artist.

I see what you did there...
 
Just reread title that regional winners should be rewarded by experiencing some relaxing jail time. I know Hollywood makes it look incredibly appealing in films like “Jailhouse Rock”, “Ernest goes to Jail “ and “Reform school Girls “ but isn’t as idyllic as it seems. Sure you might get in a platonic bromance with an 80s action star exemplified by some of the Eastern European van damm, Segal, Lundgren prison epics, and it’s tempting to learn to turn bread and fruit into alcohol hidden in a commode, but it really isn’t a reward. Maybe a better title should be “ all regional Emmy winners are frauds and should get a nice ensemble from the Gap or Old Navy”. Maybe a gift certificate to Chi-Chis or put-put golf.
 
This happens all the time in entertainment and sports. There are a lot of writers and coaches who, at one time or other, worked on great staffs and they will use it to further their careers...

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So, Brandon Staley, your defense just surrendered 500 yards to the Green Bay Packers. What are you going to do now?

I'm going to Disneyland.

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