Redrock M3

because the dslr revolution is much better an cheaper than buyin a adapter for 35mm film look.

atleast thats what i would do get a canon 7d instead of getting a m3 for my hpx.
 
Lindquist said:
because the dslr revolution is much better an cheaper than buyin a adapter for 35mm film look.

The "DSR revolution" is cheaper but is plagued with a lot of very important issues. Ill take my EX Letus/relay and Zeiss over DSLR right now no problem. In a couple more years or less, they will have something worth doing a whole show on. I'll wait.
Those cameras are $1600.00 for a reason. A lot of short cuts were taken to get video.
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I know that , but still those issues can be fixed. better for picture's and good low dof work.

id still rather spend $2000 on a 7d than $3000-4000 on a 35mm adapter for my hpx
 
Not only that, but with cams like the AF100 right around the corner (the corner being just south of this November), 35mm adapters are going to be obsolete except for those people who already own one or can't afford new gear.

Basically, IMO, most shooters aren't going to go out of their way to purchase NEW 35mm adapter gear.
 
HDSLR's have their own problems, such as autofocus, CMOS jello (APS-C especially, personally i only use my HDSLR for night shots as its much better in low light), aperture control (firmware or hacks solve this), inputs/outputs, and the clip length limit.

DSLR's are a cheap alternative to a true video solution, albeit a GREAT solution to the DOF issue with 1/3 or 2/3 sensor cams. HDSLR's are not a solution nor a revolution in HD video; they have simply complicated choices for budget shooters, yet enriched and expanded the possibilities as well. Keep in mind, these HDSLR's are still all generation 1; i can almost guarantee the next batch (especially Canons, they seem to be really on the ball and on a roll with HDSLR tech. Ive a background in photog and i shoot Nikon, which is really slacking IMO) will be miles away from the D90/D5000/GH1/5DMkII/7D/T2i. All they have done so far is kicked up some dirt, and got everybody talking. I hope HDSLR's wind up with a global shutter and full manual control as well as unlimited clip length, better audio in options, better input/output options, and 1080p/720p options. HDSLR's are doing for indie and budget shooters what the Leica did for photography; got the party started.

I shoot a lot of automotive stuff as well as events; i literally CANNOT use anything CMOS based for 95% of what i do; and i am not alone. I would KILL for an HDSLR with a CCD that captured HD video, even if it had no audio and was fully manual, hot pink and purple, and i had to wear only a thong while using it.

...until that happens, ill stick to 35mm adapters and CCD's.
 
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My M2e/HVX/Zeiss set is far superior than my D90 and my friends 7D in every test of footage and ease of use (personal opinion). While the DSLR is much smaller, there are so many issues with video that I personally think its not worth dealing with. If I move away from my adapter it will be when the Panasonic AF-100 is fully functional and I've seen footage by DVXuser members that convince me.

The Redrock M3 is in my near future unless the AF-100 is released first and is a proven winner. Redrock products have been solid performers for me and I'm 100% certain the remoteFollowFocus is in my very near future.
 
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I'm still with the Letus Extreme and am wondering what improvements can be made to a technology that has nothing high tech about it in the first place. What can the M3 do which the Letus can't?
 
Mbala said:
I'm still with the Letus Extreme and am wondering what improvements can be made to a technology that has nothing high tech about it in the first place. What can the M3 do which the Letus can't?
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From the nab interviews, it uses larger glass to let in more light. They reckon a 1/4 stop of light loss.
 
Hey all,
Thats actually me being interviewed. No one warned me about it so let me apologize for some of the muck ups, anyhow.
With the new camera like the XF300 and 305, until we get that "perfect" solution, will be really awesome. 50mb/s at 4:2:2 with the shallow depth of field, and all the bells and whistles of an actual video camera (specially the XF; built in histograms and way more that slips my mind) that combination will rock.
I love my 7D, and was really surprised in how many people were so interested in the adapter, it's great. There are some people that just don't like the DSLRs and will still be buying into the adapter range. There are some times i miss shooting on my XH A1 with an encore, but than there are others where i love the portability of the 7D. It's a give and take relationship these DSLRs, and if you have enough prep time and can really sort everything out, a setup like the XF and M3 *I believe* will give higher quality over any current DSLR solution.
 
Can you tell us anymore about the adapter feature? 1/4 loss of light is really a pretty insignificant improvement considering you're likely to lose at least another 1-1.5 stops by the time you add glass and adjust the camera.

What is the shutterspeed and f-stop limit?
Easy X-Y adjustment? Collimation? Price?

Mainly, what it is that separate this product from the M2 Encore aside from the revised form factor?
 
I will go one step further: Has there been any significant adaptor improvement since the Letus Extreme?
 
Just as some perspective to those gear heads out there... At the end of the day, each shoot requires different priorities. Sometimes a 5D might be best, but others an EX-3 will do. There is no one right answer. You will never have a camera that will do it all. I have shot enough documentary to know that, for my needs, a DSLR wouldn't work. But, I have friends who shoot with them a lot. Frankly, they're just different strokes for different folks. Each have their own benefits and challenges. I think it behooves us professionals to be familiar with all of the resources out there and apply them properly to a given situation. You can hand a scalpel to a mechanic... It won't make him a surgeon, or handing a tire iron to a doctor wont make him a mechanic. Lets not be petty about the nerdish righteousness of our purchases.

Regardless, I doubt I'll ever buy an M3, but damn does it look sexy.
 
Mbala said:
I will go one step further: Has there been any significant adaptor improvement since the Letus Extreme?
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Maybe not significant improvement, but the M3 looks like another generation of refinement and there's nothing wrong with that. Larger glass elements giving 1/4 a stop loss is pretty darn good I'd say.

There's still a place for these adapters, but that window is closing.
 
The window is closed. However the stuff works fine so for those who already have a rig there is no point in replacing it. All others are to wait for the Sony solution which may be just around the corner and will probably knock Scarlett out of the race.
 
Mbala said:
The window is closed.... All others are to wait for the Sony solution which may be just around the corner and will probably knock Scarlett out of the race.
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Until either the Panasonic camera or Scarlet hit the market and prove themselves in real world use, the window is still open.
 
Letus Ultimate or any other newer spinning adapter let you shoot stopped all the way down without seeing grain on the GG.

Frank
 
Agreed

Agreed

ethan cooper said:
Until either the Panasonic camera or Scarlet hit the market and prove themselves in real world use, the window is still open.
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I totally agree.

I don't think that everyone would abandon the apapters in the immediately future. As i said earlier in the thread, the M3 might be in my future if the AF-100 doesn't completely blow me away with all factors considered.

There is a market for adapters and it will remain open.... for now.
 
I am a mod over at cinema5D and I love my 2 5D's and my 28 lenses, but I will say this, there are a lot of things that an adapter is still useful for. A 3 CCD camera still delivers better pans and movement than these DSLR's. The rolling shutter issue is horrific. The aliasing and moire can erupt at any time and I definitely feel that unless you have a RED, or scan rates improve, CMOS still has big limitations.

In terms of the Sony camera, there is an old adage in the tech world: If they are HONEST and say it will be available in 6 months, that means they have begun working on it. If they say it will be available in a year, it means it's still wistful musings in the minds of a few overworked department heads. And that's if they are being honest.
 
Huy Vu said:
Mainly, what it is that separate this product from the M2 Encore aside from the revised form factor?
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Mainly,
Larger optics for a larger margin of error
Battery door for easy access
dust port for easy cleaning
Mounting bracket on the bottom of the adapter for better tripod balance
Accessory push-pull ports
1/4 stop of light loss
Same collimating ring as the M2e
Camera connection was reduced to a simple pl mount style connection
 
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