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Well I suppose one thing I do have going for me is the ability to generate debate and controversy. These threads sure are popular. Hopefully the films will be to!
 
ESTEBEVERDE said:
And that should say a lot considering I was a U.S. Marine for 7 years and have no problem killing my own food! :huh:
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You then, of all people understand what RRB will mean and who it will appeal to...

This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
 
What type of Lawyer would be privy to the inner workings of such constructions? Say I want this information and know its out there who is the person to employ to get access to it and map out the path?

I have also heard they are "Banned" but still there are productions connected to that Jurisdiction which leaves one to conclude that the well ain`t dry yet. There are some serious loop holes out there waiting to be exploited and they are left open so those in the know can use them. The rules keep shifting and that is why the super wealthy are dependant on Lawyers who devise ways to save their earnings from hungry governments devouring them with Taxes etc.

So who would know for real? I think it would be well worth paying a Fee to get the criteria.


DogDay.
 
DogDay said:
What type of Lawyer would be privy to the inner workings of such constructions? Say I want this information and know its out there who is the person to employ to get access to it and map out the path?

I have also heard they are "Banned" but still there are productions connected to that Jurisdiction which leaves one to conclude that the well ain`t dry yet. There are some serious loop holes out there waiting to be exploited and they are left open so those in the know can use them. The rules keep shifting and that is why the super wealthy are dependant on Lawyers who devise ways to save their earnings from hungry governments devouring them with Taxes etc.

So who would know for real? I think it would be well worth paying a Fee to get the criteria.


DogDay.
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Take my advice and forget you ever heard about it. It's not for us, dude.
 
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I think the graphic nature was to show what all Jesus went through. Whether people believed in Him or not, many believers were definitely moved to tears by it. I think it's all about subject matter and what the matter means. You can be incredibly graphic in a film like SAW and no one shed a tear. So people bought their own emotional meaning to the film as well, that's why it worked.

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My wife cried and I almost did or maybe even teared up a bit and for what it's worth I certainly do not believe Jesus is the son of G-d anymore than any of the rest of us.


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Life is full of dichotomies. I love action films but am not a fan of sports at all. Not even real keen on competitive martial arts or MMA but yet am impressed by the fighters themselves.

-Nate
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See... I actually play Judo and JuJitzu several times a week and believe in strong second amendment issue but also put human rights and the environment above almost all else.

I believe in a living wage and self determination....

Really just balance and humanity I guess.... who knows...
 
Here's the promotional artwork for RRB. What do you guys think? Sorry, you kooks were way off topic - couldn't resist
 

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taormina said:
Well I suppose one thing I do have going for me is the ability to generate debate and controversy. These threads sure are popular. Hopefully the films will be to!
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LOL. I almost said exactly that this morning in this thread. No press is bad press, right?
 
taormina said:
Take my advice and forget you ever heard about it. It's not for us, dude.
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That has to take the prize for this years "Cryptic words of wisdom" LoL.

Why?

A. Too much Beaurocracy?
B. Its a myth & doesn`t exist?
C. Its out of our bracket for the Majors only?
D. Out of our depth in terms of track record?
E. None of the above ...

Whats your logic in letting it go and not perusing that path? in addition to those very strong words of warning?



DogDay.


P.S.

Another thought. You have been writing and developing scripts for a while. And you know people who write. Have you considered trying to raise money for a slate? I have a good producer friend who told me its sometimes easier to scrape together the cash for several projects at once. He managed to raise 4.000.000Usd for 3 features on the front end before production began. They are complete and have found distibution. He has broken even and Investors have made their cash back plus a nice little profit not huge but better & faster than parking somewhere else.

It was private cash no subsidies.
 
hoofandmouf said:
this is my rifle, this is my gun...

this is for fighting and this is for (((((((F**KING!!!))))))

yes sir.
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AbsoF'nLootely!


Full metal jacket is a pretty accurate depiction of US Marine boot camp. It's a bit rougher in real life but that is close enough to know whether you'd want to go or not.
 
DogDay said:
That has to take the prize for this years "Cryptic words of wisdom" LoL.

Why?

A. Too much Beaurocracy?
B. Its a myth & doesn`t exist?
C. Its out of our bracket for the Majors only?
D. Out of our depth in terms of track record?
E. None of the above ...
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Didn't mean to be too cryptic, But I'll explain. Of all your choices the closest is probably a C followed by D.

Avi Lerner is the man when it comes to doing this thing. I think you need not only a strong personal track record, you also need connections, real solid ones. We're out of our league with those guys and in practice the funds really aren't accessible. They wont dick with your (or my crappy little movie) they want a.....


DogDay said:
Another thought. You have been writing and developing scripts for a while. And you know people who write. Have you considered trying to raise money for a slate? I have a good producer friend who told me its sometimes easier to scrape together the cash for several projects at once. He managed to raise 4.000.000Usd for 3 features on the front end before production began. They are complete and have found distibution. He has broken even and Investors have made their cash back plus a nice little profit not huge but better & faster than parking somewhere else.

It was private cash no subsidies.
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Slate...the holy grail. I would do a slate in a minute, but this also requires somewhat of a track record. I honestly don't know where I'd go to get a slate of films financed. I'd probably need $8M at the min to do 4 films. If you can find the source, you're in the deal........partner:D
 
1.Q. I know about "Hanger" & "RedRuination" do you have a couple of worthy treatments worked out step outlines etc in your back pocket?

2.Q. I see you busting your ass and achieving amazing feats you have earned my respect a long time ago for real...But=I sometimes get a sence that you don`t have a clear monitary bottom line goal...In that scenario 8mX4FF what would you be in it for? Wage? %? Glory? Track Record? what is your bottom line for yourself?

3.Q. With the right materials and go ahead to use them I am certain such a deal could be brokered somewhere within a reasonable time frame. So are you teasing or serious?

4.Q. You have stated earlier that you have a hard time working with people and need to have total freedom yet by the same token you are smart enough to know that you have to shape your product to your end demo & market. At this stage of the game if someone came with concrete finance prospects stipulating an active supervising producers role would you be able to handle that practically?

5.Q. Is RRB starting from Zero or is there already some finance secured?

6.Q. Have you actually met face to face with Shore Lines Main Man? If so have you mentioned RRB & if so was there interest? If there was interest did you sign anything commiting yourself to working exclusivly with them on future projects or giving them 1st refusal to rep RRB?


DogDay.




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taormina said:
Back to the commercial thing, look at this:

Quoted from the following article

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/business/media/25steal.html?_r=2

“Just remember that it’s over when you start taking yourself so seriously that the project stops becoming a commercial movie,” he continued, “and starts becoming an art project.”

Business, people! This is a business!!!
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Ted Hope, producer of an impressive slate of indie films including In The Bedroom and The Savages and a ton more, responds to the NY Times article. quoted below...

This past Sunday, the NY Times had one of those articles on how film "all of a sudden" looks like a good investment. I am one of those who have always thought that film was a good investment when done properly, so you might think I was happy to hear them finally beating the drums. Now, I could take it with a grain of salt and be happy that they are promoting what seems to be a good company run by good people and leave it alone at that. At least that's what I wanted to do, what I suspected I'd do, until I got to the last lines:

“If you can find the right film executives, people who consider themselves fiduciaries more than producers, it’s one of the best bets you can make right now,” Mr. Crown said.

“Just remember that it’s over when you start taking yourself so seriously that the project stops becoming a commercial movie,” he continued, “and starts becoming an art project.”

This is myth making. There is no opposite to what Mr. Crown is talking about. What is he inferring here? That some producers will sacrifice the money for the art? The producer's job is to marry those two elements and one never needs to be sacrificed for the other. To paint a picture that producers will leave the investors hanging, is not only wrong, but dangerous to the industry, the business, and the art.

When he speaks of people not having a fiduciary responsibility, he certainly is not talking about any real producer I know. Anyone that makes films for a living, who plans on making films for the rest of their life, knows that their films better deliver returns or else it is over for them. Producers -- people who actually make films on a regular basis -- know that it is their job to deliver a return to their investors. Producers can't produce otherwise. Each film is connected to the next, and not only the ones that an individual producer makes, but all of them that everyone else makes, are part of the same continuum. We have to produce returns.

But then again, as the NY Times told us on Monday, it's not Hollywood/Films that are the problem, it's New York and Big Media that's the issue.

To draw a line and pretend that there is a breed of producer who don't consider themselves fiduciaries first is to try to discourage investment in film. If you survey ANY handful of producers who have been making films as of late, you not only would find people well versed on what they expect their work to return, where they expect those returns to come from, and when they expect those returns to come in, but they also would know how they can build on those returns from one film to the next.

And most importantly, they will know how it doesn't require artistic compromise either. Films are made to fit a budget, and a budget should be determined by what the market is. Certain companies and investors can choose to reach above that, and great, truly remarkable work is generated that way, but for the rest of us mere mortals, this world demands that we be responsible. My twenty years of making films has introduced me to an incredible breed of truly responsible people -- and they are called "Producers". If the NY Times or others has a different opinion on what a producer is, I would be more than happy to introduce them to a few of my friends.
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if it were only so simple

the movie industry is like no other industry

few of the rules of standard business apply to the movie business

studios have tried and tried

indies have rarely made it work as an industry

indie filmmaking remains an art form ... at least that's what I'm willing to accept and put my money on

to address the point specifically, if you're putting up your own money to make a movie and you are the entire crew and owner of the movie, then you are truly a responsible feduciary (sp?) producer. LOL
 
DogDay said:
1.Q. I know about "Hanger" & "RedRuination" do you have a couple of worthy treatments worked out step outlines etc in your back pocket?
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Sure, everyone that writes does.

DogDay said:
2.Q. I see you busting your ass and achieving amazing feats you have earned my respect a long time ago for real...But=I sometimes get a sence that you don`t have a clear monitary bottom line goal...In that scenario 8mX4FF what would you be in it for? Wage? %? Glory? Track Record? what is your bottom line for yourself?
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That's a good question, and I've actually never thought too much about it. I suppose if I did a slate of movies like that, and someone else was paying, I would look for at least a writing/directing fee and a back end on each one. Since each budget was low at $2M, I guess my "wage" would probably hover around 75K-100K on each one. Probably less in practice.
 
DogDay said:
3.Q. With the right materials and go ahead to use them I am certain such a deal could be brokered somewhere within a reasonable time frame. So are you teasing or serious?
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Both. I say both because I don't truly believe someone would hand me that kind of money on a silver platter. If they did manage to come with that sort of loot, they should be a partner in the deal (of course!).
 
DogDay said:
4.Q. You have stated earlier that you have a hard time working with people and need to have total freedom yet by the same token you are smart enough to know that you have to shape your product to your end demo & market. At this stage of the game if someone came with concrete finance prospects stipulating an active supervising producers role would you be able to handle that practically?
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I'm a realist. Like I said in the last post, if someone came with a pile of money, they would have my undivided attention. The "producers" I've met in the past were leeches that didn't do a damn thing. Probably why I don't like to work with people. But hey, if there's a smart guy who has work ethic and access to money like that, I'm all ears. That's a standing offer to anyone. People ask me to be producers on my stuff all the time, the problem is they bring nothing to the table as far as skills or money.
 
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