Red Lens Question

Lowkus

Lowkus

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1) Red Lenses cover S35 frame size, but do they also cover 35mm? It would be nice to use the Red Lenses on 35mm still-photo SLRs.

2) How is the Infrared focusing on the Red lenses? Sometimes IR light isn't accomodated in lens design, and I was hoping to have the option of IR shooting at some point in the future.
 
2) How is the Infrared focusing on the Red lenses? Sometimes IR light isn't accomodated in lens design, and I was hoping to have the option of IR shooting at some point in the future.
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100% with you on that one! There is much greater demand than one would think for infrared/night vision capability. Canon make a fitment for $6,000 that can be fitted to their camera's to allow infrared. With reds lattitude of around 11 stops and the s35mm format IR capability would add to the already impressive specs of the red one. It did afterall win one of the top ten suggestions in the red think tank competition:)

Michael
 
you gotta remember, Super 35mm cine frame size isnt the same as your still 35mm format.... if your looking at a 35mm still film "frame" S35 is sideways on that 35mm frame. So a full still 35mm sensor is larger than a S35mm film sensor.
 
It might be that the 300mm has enough of an image diameter to cover 35mm (since 300mm is effectively rendering 50mm at 8x10 photography) But I think at 35mm the 300mm lens would be more like a 200 or 180. Dont quote me. Just thinking out loud.

This wouldnt be the case for shorter zoom lenses though. As you are already maxing out the image diameter at the shorter lengths.
 
Lowkus said:
1) Red Lenses cover S35 frame size, but do they also cover 35mm? It would be nice to use the Red Lenses on 35mm still-photo SLRs.
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35mm still photo frame = 24mm high x 36mm wide
DSLR APS-C still photo frame = 15mm high x 22mm wide
Academy 35mm cinematography frame = 22mm wide x 16 mm high
RED Mysterium S35 sensor = 24.4mm wide x 13.7mm high

If DSLR APS-C is 15mm x 22mm, and RED’s lenses are designed to cover Academy 35mm (22mm x 16mm) cinematography frames (and S35), it follows that RED lenses may be adapted for still photography use on DSLR APS-C sensor cameras. (see below)

Bottom line: RED lenses won't cover 36mm x 24mm 35mm SLR formats. RED lenses could cover DSLR APS-C formats, but as Greg Lowry has noted in a previous thread, flange focal distance isn't suitable for mounting a PL lens to an SLR. It’s feasible that existing and yet-to-be-made 3rd party accessories may enable the use of RED lenses for DSLR APS-C still photography.
 
So if the Red lenses won't cover a full 35mm frame, but a 35mm lens will cover an S35 frame, then it sounds like I'd get more mileage from a 35mm camera lens than a Red Lens (with the exception of getting a wide-angle picture).
 
The RED lenses are being designed to cover the 35mm, S35mm, and S16mm cinematography formats - not the full frame 35mm still photography format. I anticipate that the RED lenses will be real good quality lenses, and RED has stated that as their intention. Cinematography lenses are almost always made with excellent glass, solid elements, and designed for the demanding environment of cinematography. 35mm still photography lenses, especially the top-end Leica, Zeiss, Nikon, and Canon lenses, are well suited for what they are designed for.

"More mileage" from a 35mm still camera lens with RED than a RED lens? Frame or sensor coverage is one thing, but glass and elements engineered specifically for cinematography is quite another. For the formats they are designed to cover, the RED lenses should give you a better image, and better workflow design and utilitarian value than 35mm still lenses used on RED. Some of the Nikon and Leica lenses adapted for use on RED should perform well, but I would not expect them to equal the images and utility of RED lenses when used on RED. Still lenses will be a cost-effective way of getting some images out of RED, but in my opinion the best images from RED will be via the use of cinematography lenses (Zeiss, Cooke, RED, etc.).

For certain projects I'll be using my Nikon lenses with RED. For the more demanding, higher-end projects my choice will usually be the RED lenses, Zeiss lenses, and Cooke lenses made specifically for cinematography. For ENG/EFP projects I'll be using Fujinon and Canon HD ENG zoom lenses in 1080p format for general use, and my RED lenses in 4k REDCODE RAW and 2k Windowed for specialty shots in those ENG/EFP shows. I'll also use some Nikon primes in custom housings with RED for high-risk, low weight demand specialty shooting in water, aerials, etc.
 
My pleasure braddah Jarred!

I've been on location a lot lately, and unable to contribute here as much as I'd like. When I get the chance, it's always cool to belly up to the keyboard and see what's up on DVX User...
 
Gibby said:
Still lenses will be a cost-effective way of getting some images out of RED (...) For certain projects I'll be using my Nikon lenses with RED. (...) I'll also use some Nikon primes in custom housings with RED for high-risk, low weight demand specialty shooting in water, aerials, etc.
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I believe this low weight demand or the most kind of experimental work, as for instance, the use of a lensbaby or something similar -- besides the budget target (I think there will be a lot of no-budget movie projects shooting with RED), it will push this option as the most common route IMHO.
 
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