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I find it odd that it seems, on a forum dedicated to people making movies, production and photography, that some people actually seem to be pulling for the removal of humans from the process. But it seems like every industry is trying to figure out how to remove humans from the equation. So, my question is, once the majority of "work" is being done by AI and robots that companies don't have to pay, what do people do for jobs and money? No jobs means no money. No money, who's buying what's being produced?
 
Formulaic product shot sequences are one thing. (Though i really think that's more useful for Amazon product slideshows than actual commercials.)

Reality TV editing is another matter.

If we're talking about saving money by having computers deliver a product that's almost as good - I agree.

I like technology. I'm very interested in Unreal Engine although I don't think it will ever be as "good" as real photography.
 
Even if you (anyone) don't want to believe right now what it can and will do for you, at least take a step back and accept that it will at least make reality TV much less of a hell because it will recognize the faces of people and could separately pull and organize footage over weeks/months saving hundreds of man/woman hours.

Tasks like that...will make a human editor's life so much easier.

As far as removing humans, I think teamwork as I mentioned many times on this forum is best. Work together with the machines.
 
I am against AI, as a general rule. Love it for simulating and repetitive tasks, but not so much for replacing humans at things that humans do well: story telling and communicating with eachother.
 
Right, James, but can it do it and should it do it are 2 separate questions. I think it will do whatever it can, for economic reasons.

I agree with NorBro that AI will handily take over much Assistant Editing work (although that leaves a question about how Editors will cut their teeth in the future). But as far as taking over for the actual Editor, leaving a Producer-AI collaboration? I'm not so sure.
 
ahalpert said:
I agree with NorBro that AI will handily take over much Assistant Editing work (although that leaves a question about how Editors will cut their teeth in the future). But as far as taking over for the actual Editor, leaving a Producer-AI collaboration? I'm not so sure.
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People generally agree with you, Abe...but people are wrong. lol

I bet this number will be past 50% in 2022.

https://willrobotstakemyjob.com/27-4032-film-and-video-editors

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Run&Gun said:
I find it odd that it seems, on a forum dedicated to people making movies, production and photography, that some people actually seem to be pulling for the removal of humans from the process. But it seems like every industry is trying to figure out how to remove humans from the equation. So, my question is, once the majority of "work" is being done by AI and robots that companies don't have to pay, what do people do for jobs and money? No jobs means no money. No money, who's buying what's being produced?
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Well, I think there's a difference between rooting for SkyNet to put us out of work and trying to predict what will happen so we can prepare for it.

As far as putting people out of work - technology has done it before and will do it again and again. People will either find new roles or new industries, or society will evolve into a dystopia with a few unspeakably rich overlords and the starving masses who live at their mercy, or a utopia where no one does undesirable labor and we live off the toil of machines. Either way, popular entertainment gets produced for the underclass
 
Run&Gun said:
... So, my question is, once the majority of "work" is being done by AI and robots that companies don't have to pay, what do people do for jobs and money? No jobs means no money. No money, who's buying what's being produced? ...
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The same thing that happened to ice men, typists, telephone switchboard operators, horse manure removers, milkmen, elevator/lift boys, et cetera, et cetera.

I doubt it'll be AI caused though. It's more like it'll be cheaper, faster to make a non-action photo realistic CGI film over the live action alternatives.
 
NorBro said:
Even if you (anyone) don't want to believe right now what it can and will do for you, at least take a step back and accept that it will at least make reality TV much less of a hell because it will recognize the faces of people and could separately pull and organize footage over weeks/months saving hundreds of man/woman hours.

Tasks like that...will make a human editor's life so much easier.

As far as removing humans, I think teamwork as I mentioned many times on this forum is best. Work together with the machines.
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It's pretty amazing just looking at our phones and how the AI recognizes individuals and creates folders of those specific people, with no input from the user(unless you want to).
 
Run&Gun said:
It's pretty amazing just looking at our phones and how the AI recognizes individuals and creates folders of those specific people, with no input from the user(unless you want to).
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Right but that's a formulaic task based on facial recognition. It's repeatable and quantifiable.

As far as 60% of cameramen being put out if work - I'm sure it will be higher among broadcast sports folks and lower among narrative.
 
ahalpert said:
Right but that's a formulaic task based on facial recognition. It's repeatable and quantifiable.

As far as 60% of cameramen being put out if work - I'm sure it will be higher among broadcast sports folks and lower among narrative.
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I used to think that the live remote guys were going to be safe the longest, but the tracking tech has just been advancing so (too) rapidly. I mean just look what a couple hundred dollar CONSUMER drone can do. F'n track a person in the air in 3D space, essentially autonomously. While avoiding obstacles. And this is off-the-shelf tech that anyone can walk into Best Buy and buy. It's not even "specialized" equipment or tech, now, in the normal sense.
 
Norbro is already retired, so he can laugh at all of this.

Will be interesting to see how AI manifests itself in replacing camera people.

Operators are certainly replaceable with todays tech. News studios are particularly ripe for replacing people with robots.

But so much of what i try to do is to communicate ideas and experiences, and AI will never get the privilege of being a human being. While it could simulate those emotions. There is something less interesting about that idea. We as humans are far more interested in each other.
 
James0b57 said:
Norbro is already retired, so he can laugh at all of this.

Will be interesting to see how AI manifests itself in replacing camera people.

Operators are certainly replaceable with todays tech. News studios are particularly ripe for replacing people with robots.

But so much of what i try to do is to communicate ideas and experiences, and AI will never get the privilege of being a human being. While it could simulate those emotions. There is something less interesting about that idea. We as humans are far more interested in each other.
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One interesting development I did not foresee is the integration of live-perfornance camera operating into virtual production.

Like on Lion King and others - human operators use virtual cameras (with real, traditional gear) to film characters within a CGI scene.

The computer-generated camera movement is therefore considered inferior by the director, or at least less interesting and emotional.

And generally, I'm not sure that creative decisions can be automated, or else every Disney and big-budget production could be a hit by now. They all have algorithms and data crunchers at their disposal.
 
ahalpert said:
... As far as 60% of cameramen being put out if work - I'm sure it will be higher among broadcast sports folks and lower among narrative.
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I was watching a preview for the upcoming video games (for another thread) and saw a pretty photo realistic racing sim. Then I remembered that a bunch of Formula 1 drivers went against one another via a cloud base game during the Covid quarantine.

And the next thing you'll probably see is those "races" on ESPN at Night. Just like he late night poker.
 
Would you rather play a grand piano or a really good keyboard? They’ll both have their uses, no?
 
James0b57 said:
Would you rather play a grand piano or a really good keyboard? They’ll both have their uses, no?
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This is a great example and I think you're right.

The keyboard is a different sound and process.

The piano translates emotion into physics directly and also provides feedback to the player than a keyboard cannot.

The future will be about premium, human creations and services versus cheaper AI ones.
 
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