Red 50-150?

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ian515

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Anyone try that lens on the F3? if its decent, anyone know of a used one for sale?

on a related note, for a lens like that, or like the RED 300, what sort of support will I need for it? I am not too familiar with what lens support is good for longer lenses.

thanks!
 
look under F3 footage... I asked if anyone had any frame grabs of Red lens on the F3... and Nigel posted a clip with the Digioptics 18-50 (some think is the Red 18-50) and a Red 50 - 150...
 
ian515 said:
Anyone try that lens on the F3? if its decent, anyone know of a used one for sale?

on a related note, for a lens like that, or like the RED 300, what sort of support will I need for it? I am not too familiar with what lens support is good for longer lenses.

thanks!
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Both I and Nigel have one, and I think there's somebody else as well who's chimed in. There's another thread where Nigel and I have discussed it, do a search. Short story, it's a fine lens for the money. I'd post grabs but it's pointless. You can't tell much about shortcomings of modern lenses in a Vimeo window.

It doesn't need a support, it's short and light enough. The Red 300 WOULD need a support though, and you'd have to buy a 15 studio or 19mm baseplate plus everything that goes along with that to do that.
 
ian515 said:
Thanks guys.

I have a zacuto 15mm base plate already, would I just need something like this for the 300:

http://store.zacuto.com/1/4-20-inch-Lens-Support.html
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No. You should understand there are multiple rods standards for cine cameras. The standard most video cameras use at the lower end, and the one the Zacuto baseplate sets you up for is called "15mm lightweight", which was originally designed for 16mm cameras.

The rods are too close to the optical center of the lens (in the case of LW15, they are 85mm from the center of the lens mount). This means that when you put a big, heavy 35mm cine lens on, it will physically interfere with the 15mm rods only 85mm below it. Make sense?

So beyond that, there is "15mm studio", and 19mm rod standards, all designed around 35mm cameras and the big lenses they use. You'd need to get a baseplate for 15 studio or 19mm, which are pretty much always called "Arri-style", and then a dovetail plate that goes between that Arri baseplate and the tripod. These two pieces together are usually around $1000-1200.

There is a SMALL chance that somehow that Zacuto support will fit between lightweight 15 rod spacing and the barrel of the lens, it might be worth checking out. But beware that if it does fit, it will likely be the only lens it manages to work on...won't work with a Cooke 20-100, or Red 18-85, etc etc.
 
Thanks nate. I will do some more research on this then.

Gary. Thanks, I saw the video, I own the RED 17-50 already so I wasn't too concerned with the look, but good to know others are using the 50-150. the 300 was the big mystery to me though when it came to support.
 
Don't confuse Zacutos name of lightweight vs non lightweight with the rod standards I'm talking about above.

All the baseplates Zacuto sells are "lightweight 15" rod standard only. AKA "60mm spaced", is how Zacuto describes them...and they're talking about space between rods, not from the optical axis.

Element Technica, Arriflex are the usual sources for studio 15 and 19mm baseplates. There's a couple others, but those are the main ones.
 
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It should also be noted that Zacuto, as well as others, sell adapters to get from lightweight spacing to studio. Zacuto's Jeep is a fine example.
I can also tell you that living in both worlds is expensive and troublesome, but if you use big glass, you'll almost have to go studio-spacing for proper support. I've gotten away with Zacuto's and RedRock's 1/4" lens supports in a pinch, but when I have a $10K+ piece of glass relying on it, I get REALLY nervous! ;-)
 
The Zacuto adapter that you're talking about won't work to stick studio 15 or 19 rods on the front of an otherwise LW15 rig.

1-using an adapter like that isn't designed for the weight

2-if you only have a LW15 baseplate, and use that adapter to hang 15/19 studio below the LW15 rods, you'll have a hard time getting the camera on and off the head and you wont be able to balance the camera.

That Zacuto adapter is made to add LW15 rods to a studio rig with a proper studio baseplate, not the other way around.
 
Yes, plus you'd need a spacer to go between the 19 baseplate and the camera body...those baseplates are for bigger cams generally. So far I've seen people use the 15LW baseplate they already have as this spacer...but you need one that can adjust height. The Zacuto universal does this, kinda overkill for the purpose, but...

Also, there's cheaper lens supports than the Arri that are made just as well. Try Birns and Sawyer. (scratch that. Theirs is same. I know there's some out there for about $400)

Stuff gets expensive, right? I remember I had a $4K trip to Element Technica right before I took delivery of my Red in 2008, and that was just for the basics.
 
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Yeah, I figured I would mount the 19 baseplate on the bottom of my zacuto universal to act as the spacer. I will dig around for a cheaper lens support, I am not opposed to the current price, but if I can get a deal, why not!

yeah, it gets expensive quick, but its not unexpected at least. I think I am still 1k under budget!
 
ian515 said:
OK. so would this setup work for the 300mm?

http://www.innocinema.com/product_info.php?cPath=3_21&products_id=111

and

http://www.innocinema.com/product_info.php?cPath=3_21&products_id=109

and

http://www.filmtools.com/arri-ls-9.html
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Nate Weaver said:
Yes, plus you'd need a spacer to go between the 19 baseplate and the camera body...those baseplates are for bigger cams generally. So far I've seen people use the 15LW baseplate they already have as this spacer...but you need one that can adjust height. The Zacuto universal does this, kinda overkill for the purpose, but...

Also, there's cheaper lens supports than the Arri that are made just as well. Try Birns and Sawyer. (scratch that. Theirs is same. I know there's some out there for about $400)

Stuff gets expensive, right? I remember I had a $4K trip to Element Technica right before I took delivery of my Red in 2008, and that was just for the basics.
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ian515 said:
Yeah, I figured I would mount the 19 baseplate on the bottom of my zacuto universal to act as the spacer. I will dig around for a cheaper lens support, I am not opposed to the current price, but if I can get a deal, why not!

yeah, it gets expensive quick, but its not unexpected at least. I think I am still 1k under budget!
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Hello Ian! As long as that arri lens support is standard 19mm with 104mm spacing, it should be good to go with the set-up you suggested. I think Nate pretty much handled this question, but if you have any further questions about these products feel free to PM me or email me: info@innocinema.com

Thank you!
 
Justin.

love the company presence on the forum! I can always think of questions, so I am sure you will be hearing from me!

cheers.
 
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