Recording over footage

TJIsACoolGuy

TJIsACoolGuy

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I have only used two tapes in my camera....(dvx100a of course)...both have been dry lube...never had a tape that wasn't a MQ or a PQ in it. One day.....in a pinch, I recorded over half of one of the two tapes I have run through it......Is there some sort of process that is the proper way to record over previously recorded footage....Like recording a pure black signal to realign all of the magnetic particles???? Using a magnet to wipe the tape clean??? Because I didn't do anything.....I just popped it in, and went for it.....When I went through the footage, I noticed I got several dropouts in certain areas..... Not just one or two.... at least 8 seperate frames in a 30 minute recording. Now that's not huge.......but this is a brand new camera....and I didn't have this on any of my other tape, so I am blaming it on the fact that it was a tape that already had something on it....but I don't know if this is really the case... Any suggestions on how to record over tape...and if this is a possible reason for my dropouts?

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Never had any such problem with mine. I have used some of my PQ and one MQ tapes at least 3 times over. Recently had my first (and so far the only) dropout on one of the PQ tapes during the 3rd re-recording over previous footage.
 
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I always get slammed for saying this, "it's all a marketing ploy by the tape manufacturers" they say. But I say, if it is at all important, I can spend $3.95 on a new tape. I have never re recorded over any of my tapes. I have 175hrs on my dvx100a and have had 2 dropouts while recording. I just don't think it's worth it.
 
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i bouth 3 panny ME tapes with my cam. gs200 re-recorded 3 times over all 3 tapes, no prob. recently i bought a 80min. ME and re-recording over it about 3x as well... i think out of all those i had 1 dropout... i think can save quite a bit by rerecording.... huh huh 4bucks a time at recording is not cheap thats like minimum wage 4.25 an hr. ::)
 
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[quote author=cba link=board=Events;num=1103184258;start=0#3 date=12/16/04 at 19:45:32]   thats like minimum wage 4.25 an hr. ::)[/quote] Uh....Minumum wage is Like $6.15 hr now.

I definitely wouldn't use ME because they are not dry lube. I have accidnetly recorded over something and only one time had problems with drop outs. also the only 2 times I have had the above problems with my tapes is when I failed to pack the tape.....Fast forward and then rewind before taping. And when we recorded in LP on an 83 minute. Now we use 63 Minute MQs on SP. Since doing that, no drop outs or wierd videos.
 
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"Pack the tape?" I have never heard of this process before. Do you fast forward to the very end and then rewind before capturing? Or do you just fast forward a little?? What does it exactly do? How does it help exactly?
 
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For those who think tapes should never be reused, wouldn't it be in Panasonic's interest to recommend that? But they don't. They want to sell tapes, and they could easily say in the manual, "For best results..."
 
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so ME not dry lube=bad ??? MQ dry lube=good?
what is ME then? wet lube? how does the 2 affect the cam head? should I just switch over to MQ? the cam I have used about 30hrs of ME since new ::)?
 
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Aw Bull Hocky!  :mad:

Panny wants you to buy their tapes because they want your money!

You can use any tapes you want if you pick one and stay with it.

I have been using wet lube sony blue 60min tapes in my DVX for over a year. They are $3.50 a tape and can be found at any Walmart, Target, Walgreens, Best Buy, Rite Aid, and sometimes Big-Lots. That is why I buy them. I can get more in a pinch if I have to.

I NEVER re-use my tapes for these reasons:

1) $3.50 is cheap (cheaper than the repair on a $4000 camera)

2) I charge my customers for ever tape I use on their project (they deserve a new tape and not somebody elses leftovers)

3) Good dropout free footage is worth way more than $3.50

4) I archive my footage in case my customers come back requesting a change or re-edit on their project a year down the road

Don't buy the hype, don't switch tape brands unless to buy a new camera and throw away all your old tapes.

Don't re-record over old footage if you want a gaurantee that it won't screw up.

Lets face it. Tapes break down over time. The little magnetic particles are only good for so long. Eventually those particles flake off, get mildu, get dust, get crusted with cigarette smoke, and will fail when you need them the most.

Moral:

Spend $3.50 on a new tape or die in embarrassment when you have to tell someone that their wedding video did not come out because you reused old tapes. Not that I know from expierence or anything.

I'll get off the soap box now!  ;D :D :p ;D
 
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[quote author=TJIsACoolGuy link=board=Events;num=1103184258;start=0#6 date=12/17/04 at 00:15:34]"Pack the tape?" I have never heard of this process before.  Do you fast forward to the very end and then rewind before capturing? Or do you just fast forward a little?? What does it exactly do?  How does it help exactly?[/quote]
Yes, Packing the tape you fast fowrard to the end and then rewind it. You are supposed to do this to tapes you are archiving every three months. When you purchase tapes they get jumbled around and the tape may not be wound evenly from all the moving around. It is recommended to pack it, to stretch it out and then rewind evenly, I am not the best with words. This prevents crinkling, which is often what causes dropout.

Everytime I do not do this, I get drop out. Whenever I do it, I have no problems.
 
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[quote author=cba link=board=Events;num=1103184258;start=0#8 date=12/17/04 at 01:58:07]so ME not dry lube=bad ??? MQ dry lube=good?
 what is ME then? wet lube? how does the 2 affect the cam head? should I just switch over to MQ? the cam I have used about 30hrs of ME since new  ::)?[/quote]

One of the Barry's wrote about this in a thread. I believe the ME's have an oil base. Before you switch you need to clean your heads, following Bary's instructions at the top of this forum. It may be in that thread that he gets into tape construction. For whatever reason the ME's leave a residue that causes dropout and other problems.

Barry recommends to not use the cleaning tape that came with the camera, he says you might as well use sandpaper.
 
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HartStudio, a few things.

First, if you're shooting a "job", as opposed to a "personal" shoot, it obvious you'll use a new tape, the client is paying after all.

I think a little common sense would indicate the "reuse" tapes was for personal work.

Now:

"$3.50 is cheap (cheaper than the repair on a $4000 camera)"
What damage is a reused tape going to cause that a repair is going to be needed?

"Good dropout free footage is worth way more than $3.50"
A new tape is no guarantee of no dropouts.

"Don't re-record over old footage if you want a gaurantee that it won't screw up"
Once again, wrong.

"Lets face it. Tapes break down over time. The little magnetic particles are only good for so long. Eventually those particles flake off, get mildu, get dust, get crusted with cigarette smoke, and will fail when you need them the most"
Yet again your lack of common sense implies these reused tapes are going to be used till they physically fail.

"Don't buy the hype, don't switch tape brands unless to buy a new camera and throw away all your old tapes"
What can I say, LOL....buy a new camera.....LOL



In the old days, this was known as fear mongering.



Reuse tapes, apply common sense, enjoy.
 
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I just gave the reason why I don't reuse tapes.

How is that fear mongering?

Reasons why I don't smoke:

1) bad for audio video equipment

2) causes cancer (I could die but doesn't mean I will)

3) Don't want to smell like smoke

4) Expensive $2.75 a pack

Is this fearmongering? If it is I am sorry. But this is the same as my above post.

Reuse the tapes all you want. Smoke 'em if you got 'em

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
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wow your ciggs are only 2.75!!!!!! in NY they are 7.50 a pack!
 
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