Record 24fps to 29.97 like DVX?

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Does the HMC150 have the ability to record 24fps with a pull-down to 29.97 like the DVX can? The only information I have seen leads me to believe that it CAN'T.
 
Right. I'm asking if it can capture 24fps and record it to tape (or, in this case, cards) with a pull-down to 29.97 IN CAMERA, like the DVX.

I infer from your answer that my original suspicion is correct- that it can't. Can somebody please confirm?

Thanks.
 
No. It does 24p and 30p straight. It will not do 24p to 29.97. That would be something you would have to do in post.
 
Thanks.

I find it odd that this camera cannot do this. The HVX does it in a couple different ways.

I feel like the lack of this feature in the HMC150 hinders its appeal to users (including myself) who may need to combine different source media.
 
If you need to combine it with other sources, why don't you also shot in native 24p with the others? The HVX does that. It can record in 24 pN. And in this mode, you get more recording time.
 
I'm not sure why having pulldown frame would be considered a "feature." It's a pain in the butt. Dealing with native 24fps means you don't ever have to worry about improper pulldown removal and interlacing artifacts. If you need to mix with other 24fps source with pulldown then your NLE should already remove that for you and you're working on the same framerate.
 
I'm not sure why having pulldown frame would be considered a "feature." It's a pain in the butt.
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Panasonic would not have equipped the DVX and HVX with the ability to do it if it weren't potentially valuable. In fact, it was a "feature" that revolutionized video cameras.

I agree that dealing with duplicate frames and esoteric pull-down schemes can be a pain in the butt. For me, however, I warmly embrace those things if it means being able to shoot 24fps-looking video and edit it seamlessly on a timeline with non-24fps sources. For certain projects (such as the one I am beginning), the trade-off, when compared to the pain-the-butt factor of rendering and/or converting footage, is well worth it IMHO.

If you need to combine it with other sources, why don't you also shot in native 24p with the others?
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Can't with this project. Not in control of the other sources: home videos, FlipCam, etc.


For me, the added flexibility of being able to shoot 24p and lay it down to 29.97 in-camera is a "feature" that will be missed with the HMC150.

Cheers.
 
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Dealing with 24p footage is always better in a 24p timeline. Using a 29.97 timeline is not always the best idea.

But in your case, maybe you should go for a HPX170 and the new P2e series.
 
twotimes said:
Panasonic would not have equipped the DVX and HVX with the ability to do it if it weren't potentially valuable. In fact, it was a "feature" that revolutionized video cameras...For me, the added flexibility of being able to shoot 24p and lay it down to 29.97 in-camera is a "feature" that will be missed with the HMC150.

Cheers.
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The DVX and HVX were equipped with it because it was the only viable workaround to get 24p into NTSC video. That was the only reason. There was no other way to get 24p onto DV tape at the time they were released. There still isn't. It wasn't included because 24p in 60i is a good medium, it's because all NTSC video is 60i, so it was the only medium there was to work with, and they came up with an imperfect solution. The only reason to shoot that still is if shooting HD isn't an option.

The HMC150 was never designed for that. The whole point of it was to go tapeless, HD only, and not have the need to ever deal with the 24p/60i workarounds. You're basically asking for an HD only camera to conform to SD specifications. It sort of defeats the purpose.

SPrimeau is correct, you may want to look at the HPX170 instead, as it shoots DVCPro25 and 50, as well as regular DV... and thus includes the 24p/60i workaround you're looking for.
 
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twotimes, what do you use to edit with? I haven't used an editor in the last several years that *doesn't* allow freely intermixing different frame rates, resolutions, timebases, everything... whether Vegas or EDIUS or Premiere Pro CS3/CS4, you can establish a 1080/60i project, throw your HMC150 footage on the timeline right next to your DVX footage, and all those editors will inherently add pulldown, upconvert, downconvert, frame-blend, or whatever else they need to do to make for seamless editing.
 
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