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DeanFS7

DeanFS7

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I'm yet to find the best way to place a Rode NTG-3 into the mic holder on the camera without using loads of tape, which I don't really like doing. Anybody got any better hacks for this?

See, I told you it was interesting 
 
I've actually used some of my wife's hair ties, those rubber band like things that my cats go crazy for as well. Maybe try warping a few of those around the mic to make it's diameter a little larger. It's worked for me on several cameras in the past.
 
DeanFS7 said:
I'm yet to find the best way to place a Rode NTG-3 into the mic holder on the camera without using loads of tape, which I don't really like doing. Anybody got any better hacks for this?
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Well, it's worth noting the Sony mic holder is attached to a 15mm rod, clamped to the top handle. A simple allen wrench and you can take it off, and put in a 15mm rod instead. Once your crossbar is just a 15mm rail, you can use any off the sheelf 15mm to shock mount adapter.
 
I tried the same thing - I wanted to use the NTG3 for good quality actuality/scratch sound.

First, I used that soft mesh stuff you can buy at Halfords for lining tool chests and car dashes etc - grippy stuff. It works - as does a thin sheet of neoprene.

However, I found the NTG3 was too long, got in shot on wide lenses etc.

My eventual solution, which now works very well for us, was an Audio Technica AT875R stubby shotgun mic - much better length for the FS7, wider girth for the mic holder (use the Sony rubber insert too) and the quality is fab for actuality sound (really - I'm extraordinarily fussy about sound.) It's quite a bargain. It lives on the camera permanently.

When we don't have a soundie (more and more these days), my assistant uses the NTG3 on a boom for occasional close mic-ing/external boomed IVs and we use an Oktava MK012 for internal boomed IVs.

Oh, and the new Sony radio mic package is sounding rather good too - I used it for the first time last week with a TRAM TR50 and the compander noise that used to plague the older models is gone. Love the hotshoe mount too.

Ben.
 
Agree Ben, the Audio Technica AT875R is pretty good for the price. They have a nice little lift at the top end frequency. I'm a great supporter of Audio Technica here in the UK and have a range of their mics. Although the old Sony ECM-EX1 with the rubber cuff sits nicely too with the Rycote Softie. I have a couple from my knock-about early Z5 and NX5 cameras - they work well.

Audio Technica AT875R:
http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/resource_library/literature/65fd393dfad862d3/at875r_ss_e.pdf


Claire
 
Order a sheet of Sorbothane from Amazon. Cut a piece the circumference of the mic and place in the holder. Added benefit is the vibration absorption.
 
bengiles said:
Oh, and the new Sony radio mic package is sounding rather good too - I used it for the first time last week with a TRAM TR50 and the compander noise that used to plague the older models is gone. Love the hotshoe mount too.
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Yes - I also have the ony radio mic package, and it's very handy, with the caveat that you likely need to turn off the GPS module, else you may get nasty beeps and such on the recording. Not necessarily a huge loss - but worst is not knowing what to even do or not noticing it's happening until you're reviewing footage.
 
S.Blanchardon said:
Or use a REAL and more efficient microphone suspension :

http://www.rycote.com/products/shoc...vision-video/invision-softie-lyre-mount-cca-/
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Sure - and turn your camera into a crane. A triumph of engineering over common sense.

I like Rycote stuff - I've been using it for over 25 years - but they were firmly stuck in the past when I first encountered them back in 1987.

If you're that worried about microphony through the FS7 mount, use a REAL sound recordist :-)
 
Ben, how does the audio on that Audio Technica AT875R compare to the Rode NTG3. I've been using Rode NTG1 with a bit of Gaffer tape and whilst I'm not bothered about it looking battle weary I do find it a bit long.
 
Just go to the hardware store and buy a couple of o-rings. Take the mic to make sure they fit. 50cent solution.
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Liam Hall said:
Ben, how does the audio on that Audio Technica AT875R compare to the Rode NTG3. I've been using Rode NTG1 with a bit of Gaffer tape and whilst I'm not bothered about it looking battle weary I do find it a bit long.
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Liam, I haven't A/B tested them - although I could try and find some time to do so next week.

What I can say is that I'm more than happy with the quality of scratch sound I'm getting from the AT875R - and it's an ideal size for staying on the camera.
 
The 875 is basically Sony's classic mono on camera mic for broadcast cameras for years . It's designed for that purpose and does a great job .
 
bengiles said:
Sure - and turn your camera into a crane. A triumph of engineering over common sense.

I like Rycote stuff - I've been using it for over 25 years - but they were firmly stuck in the past when I first encountered them back in 1987.

If you're that worried about microphony through the FS7 mount, use a REAL sound recordist :-)
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If one is concerned by sound, of course the best thing to do is hire a sound recordist.

Rycote sure is stuck in the past but the lyre Invision mounts are a great invention and 100 times better than the old elastic suspension.

With a mount like this, it sure adds some bulk to the camera but it's still a better solution than the original round mic clamp.
 
bengiles said:
Liam, I haven't A/B tested them - although I could try and find some time to do so next week.

What I can say is that I'm more than happy with the quality of scratch sound I'm getting from the AT875R - and it's an ideal size for staying on the camera.
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Don't worry about testing, scratch sound is all I'd need it for. As I tell my wife, size matters more than quality:-)

Lenilenapi said:
The 875 is basically Sony's classic mono on camera mic for broadcast cameras for years . It's designed for that purpose and does a great job .
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OK you have me sold.
 
DeanFS7 said:
I'm yet to find the best way to place a Rode NTG-3 into the mic holder on the camera without using loads of tape, which I don't really like doing. Anybody got any better hacks for this?

See, I told you it was interesting 
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I use pieces of rubber mat that I place in the mic holder to build up the holding circumference of the bracket. In the past I have also use rubber sealing tape, the type used for sealing outdoor connections. Rubber on one side, sticky on the other. It stretches so you can make a circular bushing around the mic so it fits snugly in the holder. It also offers a bit of extra sound isolation from handling noise transmitted through the camera body.
 
The 875 also deals well with handling & wind noise - probably because it was originally designed as a camera mic .
 
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