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otari_99

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Let's talk about this one more time.

Will Raylight work with Adobe PP 1.5, or 2.0 to support DVCPRO HD since these programs do not?

Any issues, or degradation when using Raylight with these Adobe products?

Basically, I'm trying to decide whether to cut my losses with Adobe PP and invest in Avid, or FCP.

Thanks.
 
Why not just download the trial version and check it out for yourself?

(just a suggestion -- that's what I did).
 
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dregenthal said:
Why not just download the trial version and check it out for yourself?

(just a suggestion -- that's what I did).
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Thought I'd ask first.
 
Yes it will work, yes it will do what you want, and the only question mark you would face is: is your computer fast enough to deliver realtime performance? If so, and if you really want to stay with Premiere, Raylight may be perfect for you.

Download the demo and try.

But if you want to maintain your PC hardware investment and are looking at alternative editing programs, definitely download and look at Edius Broadcast -- its P2 integration is unparalleled.
 
Barry_Green said:
Yes it will work, yes it will do what you want, and the only question mark you would face is: is your computer fast enough to deliver realtime performance? If so, and if you really want to stay with Premiere, Raylight may be perfect for you.

Download the demo and try.

But if you want to maintain your PC hardware investment and are looking at alternative editing programs, definitely download and look at Edius Broadcast -- its P2 integration is unparalleled.
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Well, I'm used to Premier, and I've invested in my suite (Matrox RT.X10 bundle), 3GHz P4 (Intel D865PERLK MB),800MHz FSB, ATI 9600 GAC, dual hard-drive etc, etc.
And now my HVX200.

Do I have the processing power? Maybe. Do have enough storage now? Probably not. I gather that through-put will be the key. In any case, I am not opposed to moving on to another platform, or suite.

Thanks much for your help.

Any more thoughts?
 
The RTX10 won't do you any good, unless you only want to edit DV.

My suggestion to all HVX users is to consider that if your editing system doesn't support the camera, consider whether switching to one that does wouldn't be a better idea. Premiere doesn't, although you can work with Raylight. But your CPU's not really up to the task, you'd want a dual-core fast processor.

FCP flies with HVX footage, and Canopus Edius is very well integrated, probably the best-integrated editor. But either of those will pretty much mean a new editing computer.
 
polispol said:
when it will be available the 720/25p with variable frame rate?
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It's available now. And it works great with almost any speed computer, no dual processors required. You just have to select the quality level that is real-time for your system, then raise the quality level to maximum for the final render. For example, Raylight Yellow is real time 720-24P for a Pentium 2GHZ with dual SATA drives and displays at about 1/2 resolution. Then you switch to Raylight Blue for rendering an HD master at about 3-4 fps. That would be about 6 minutes of rendering for every minute of video that had color corrrection or effects. If there are no active filters in a shot the rendering is faster than real time.
 
Marcus is of course correct, and part of the genius of Raylight is that it provides multiple quality levels to accomodate slower systems. I should clarify that if you want realtime at 100% quality and 100% frame size, that's when you'd need a faster system. But you can edit in the lower quality levels, and then switch to full-quality for the final render.
 
Barry_Green said:
The RTX10 won't do you any good, unless you only want to edit DV.

My suggestion to all HVX users is to consider that if your editing system doesn't support the camera, consider whether switching to one that does wouldn't be a better idea. Premiere doesn't, although you can work with Raylight. But your CPU's not really up to the task, you'd want a dual-core fast processor.

FCP flies with HVX footage, and Canopus Edius is very well integrated, probably the best-integrated editor. But either of those will pretty much mean a new editing computer.
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Okay. This is very helpful.

Matrox claims AXIO will process DVCPRO HD. However, the package is still bundled with Premier. I spoke with Adobe about 2.0, and they basically said no DVCPROHD support. So, one is only supposed to use the Matrox side of the package? I should probably bite the bullet and go with one of the industry standards.

What are the CPU options for dual-core (both MAC and PC)?


Thanks again.
 
Axio apparently only supports DVCPRO-HD through firewire capture. No MXF support at all. No tapeless support.

Frankly I don't understand why any HVX user would be considering Axio. For less money you could buy a totally stoked Mac with FCP and get better support and multiple-stream realtime, or a totally dialed-in Edius system and get realtime editing and full P2/MXF integration.

With Axio, as I understand it (and could be wrong, someone correct me if I am), if you're doing a production where you are offloading cards, and you offload maybe 20 cards per day, then when you get back to your Axio system you'd have to actually COPY the folders from the hard disk BACK ONTO YOUR P2 CARDS, one at a time, and then play the footage in the camera and digitize the footage into the Axio system.

That's insane.

And for all that, you get to work with Premiere Pro? And pay $5,000 to $11,000 for the privilege?

No thanks, that's just nutty. Give me a Mac or Edius any time as compared to that.
 
Barry_Green said:
But if you want to maintain your PC hardware investment and are looking at alternative editing programs, definitely download and look at Edius Broadcast -- its P2 integration is unparalleled.
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How much is Edius broadcast going for?

I am more interested in being able to edit DVCPRO50.

also are there any plug ins or work arounds for DVCPRO50 in Vegas?
 
Raylight takes care of DVCPRO50 in Vegas. You can download the free Matrox DVCPRO50 codec, and Raylight will convert MXF files into DVCPRO50 AVI files, which then work excellently in Vegas. We're using this workflow now on an all-greenscreen production we just did for one of the hotels here.

Edius Broadcast has a $999 retail.
 
I am having a heck of a time locating the Matrox codec. anyone know where i can find it?
 
Barry_Green said:
Axio apparently only supports DVCPRO-HD through firewire capture. No MXF support at all. No tapeless support.

Frankly I don't understand why any HVX user would be considering Axio. For less money you could buy a totally stoked Mac with FCP and get better support and multiple-stream realtime, or a totally dialed-in Edius system and get realtime editing and full P2/MXF integration.

With Axio, as I understand it (and could be wrong, someone correct me if I am), if you're doing a production where you are offloading cards, and you offload maybe 20 cards per day, then when you get back to your Axio system you'd have to actually COPY the folders from the hard disk BACK ONTO YOUR P2 CARDS, one at a time, and then play the footage in the camera and digitize the footage into the Axio system.

That's insane.

And for all that, you get to work with Premiere Pro? And pay $5,000 to $11,000 for the privilege?

No thanks, that's just nutty. Give me a Mac or Edius any time as compared to that.
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Listen to the Barry Man!!
I wanted to buy AXIO but went FCP.
I might go back and give Edius a look.
Edius also has hardware options like the AXIO.
Don't fall for the Matrox marketing!!
 
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