RAW without RAW!

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IvanF

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First all:
I don't think Raw is indispensable.
this is probabily a little crazy idea, but please try this:
- shoot in h264 with any dslr
- import file in Adobe Premeire (or any edit sw)
- insert file in timeline
- mark in and out
- export as jpeg sequence
- open Bridge
- select all jpeg
- right clik and open with camera raw
- edit like a Raw file
- synchronize all
- save images
- import edit image in Adobe premiere Pro like a sequnce

Ok raw is raw, but this workflow work if you want more control on video file
raworiginal.jpg
rawEdit1.jpg
rawEdit2.jpg
raw2original.jpg
raw2Edit0.jpg

let me know what do you think
 
With Adobe CC, you can directly load H.264, convert to Smart Object, then apply Adobe Camera Raw as a filter. Final edit can be rendered out.
 
This is not a new concept, I do this in instances where I want the noise reduction that camera raw offers. That being said, its still an 8bit file with your WB and color profile and dynamic range baked in.
 
why would you shoot with h.264 when you want raw? I think I'm missing something. I can dub my VHS skate collection and make it raw........awesome! but for what....?
 
I don't see the point. You're not getting any info that was not already there in the original file. You can get a few additional sliders and controls, but that's not what RAW is about. To me, RAW is about preserving all the DR that the sensor can record, and without compression issues. You don't get any of those if you shoot H.264 to begin with.
 
RAW without RAW is an 8bit file with 256 shades of Red Green and Blue.

With REAL RAW, you get so much more information and that information is not only in the dynamic range highlights and shadows, it's detail and colour. The amount of colour and information in the file adds to depth perception and separation. When shooting, we should always be looking to create separation through light and composition. Using a RAW file that has pixels that contain information from a wider palette of colour greatly increases that separation.

If you truly are passionate about the work you create and the end result, and you have a camera that can shoot RAW, then find a way to make it work. The work flow is very simple and easy once you get into it... I have almost forgotten what it was like to shoot h264, I don't even like the Canon menu, the ML menu is so much more intuative to use.

A 5D3 shooting RAW is a real weapon, spend a week learning how to use it... or create a personal project and go shoot it, once you start to familiarise yourself with the process, you will not want to shoot anything else.
 
Ok guys, as I said Raw is Raw.
dynamic range, resolution, etc are other thing on real raw file
I must admit that I don't need Raw everytime, the workflow is too long.
This was only an experiment, this workflow still on 8 bit, but let you use camera raw on "motionjpeg" file.
Try to correct a white balance with camera raw on jpeg, isn't raw, but sometime can work
 
IvanF said:
Ok guys, as I said Raw is Raw.
dynamic range, resolution, etc are other thing on real raw file
I must admit that I don't need Raw everytime, the workflow is too long.
This was only an experiment, this workflow still on 8 bit, but let you use camera raw on "motionjpeg" file.
Try to correct a white balance with camera raw on jpeg, isn't raw, but sometime can work
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Hey Ivan, I think its great that you are experimenting with H264 to improve its performance. I was in no way trying to belittle what you were trying to convey, but just stating that RAW is a lot more than ACR... thats all. Keep up the great work and keep shooting brother!! all the best!!
 
Scott, I repeat:
raw is RAW NO DOUBT
I'm photographer and I use ALWAYS RAW, never jpeg, I know the difference...
this was no more than a test
 
Samuel H said:
I don't see the point. You're not getting any info that was not already there in the original file.
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You do get excellent highlight/shadow recovery, excellent sharpening and excellent noise reduction. So yeah, you do get quite a lot. A lot of the great qualities of RAW are actually from ACR. (You will be astounded by how much you can recover from shadows and highlights from jpeg files.)
 
maarek said:
You do get excellent highlight/shadow recovery, excellent sharpening and excellent noise reduction. So yeah, you do get quite a lot. A lot of the great qualities of RAW are actually from ACR. (You will be astounded by how much you can recover from shadows and highlights from jpeg files.)
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That's valuable information and a good technique that's worth testing further. Thanks for sharing and I'd love to spend some time on this when I get a chance. It's a good idea, but unfortunately I think a lot of people are just getting hung up on the title since it's not really raw.
 
Yes and it would be great if Adobe added ACR directly to PPro (even better- GPU accelerated and/or multiframe processing).
 
Andrius Simutis said:
That's valuable information and a good technique that's worth testing further. Thanks for sharing and I'd love to spend some time on this when I get a chance. It's a good idea, but unfortunately I think a lot of people are just getting hung up on the title since it's not really raw.
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Yes,and try to correct WB ...seems work, not like RAW ( obvious) but work.
In these days I will test better
 
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