Ramped Speed Changes?

probally cause its one of those features alot of people dont do.. if you need to, rent the varicam for that shot. I bet most people wont even go so far shooting off spead let alone ramping.

Plus, NLE's do a decent job at Velocity Envelopes now adays so your not totally screwed.
 
mmm said:
That is what Sony would do :)
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Okay, THAT gets my vote for funniest post in history!

[motherly voice]Now, mmm, why don't you be a good boy and go out and shoot some CineFrame 24 until the HVX is available... that's nice...

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
I was joking... come on...please! I REALLY need a sarcastic smilie! :) just looks like I am being serious and stupid!

Although I definitely think Cineframe 24 blows the DVX's 24p away... :)

Hehehe...Bracing for impact :evil:
 
LOL!!! Hey mmm, don't piss her off or he'll put you on the "Do not sell him an HVX" list!

:thumbup: Thank Barry for reading me the Ramping definition out of the Encyclopedia Barrytanica. :thumbup:

You guys say that ramping effect is something that is attainable in post, but you are also saying that there are drawbacks? :huh: [scratching his head] Other than not being able to ask talent to do things off-speed as mentioned by Jarred in the "Did u guys see the new brochure" thread there shouldn't be any drawbacks... :huh:
You can shoot up to 30P, or 60P in 720, and then display the frames you want... and as long as you display only at multiples of the frames you shot at, then you should be golden. You could display a second (maybe more?) at 4fps, then the next second (or more?) at... wait, 4 isn't a multiple of 30, but it is of 60... ok... then 5fps, then 6fps, 7 sucks lol, 8 too :(, 9 too :angry: ... ok... so what if it chose the "best" frames to display? Then it looks weird?

How attainable is ramping in post?
 
USLatinContent said:
... the Encyclopedia Barrytanica. :thumbup:
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...LOL!

In post, it is easy enough to "switch" between frames rates, going instantly from say 60fps to 30 or 25 or 24fps.

However to "ramp" to different speeds, you would have to use a filter (I think I have one called "time-bender", but have never needed it). This would have to blend, drop or create new frames in order to achieve the changing frame rate. To a layman, this may be okay, but I think that to us it looks quite tacky. Definitely better off being able to do it in camera and have perfect original frames. However, as we won't be able to, we will have to "switch" or "blend" our way between framerates... or hire a Varicam...

Has anyone seen "Elephant?" That has some nice frame rate racks.
 
So basically, you can't display frames out of time even if it is just a few tenths off because it looks jumpy and the only way to do this would be by creating the frames for the moment that wasn't captured with the nearest two frames...

However, this effect isn't all that amazing... but I've seen a couple of movies that used successions of different ramps that must have gone all the way from 4 to 60 and back very quickly, which coupled with weird sound FXs were cool representation for the state of mind of someone on heavy drugs or for other "temporary insanity" type stuff. I guess it would be cool, but like that guy said they have to sell Varicams. Which brings me to ponder on this:
How hard would it be for a digital camera that shoots 60fps and 4fps with many stops in between to do the remaining stops? If it can shoot 60, then it is fast enough to do lower ones... all it takes is for the camera to know when to capture... a clock. What would weigh on the processor would be the Iris and shutter coordination. But how many calculations would it take? Not that many... and there sure are fast enough chips out there. They are cheap, small, and this could be a separate little processor... so make the camera $1000.- more. This might not be worth just for ramps, but the additional frame rates shouldn't cons anything. So, if this is right and I'm not missing anything I can't help but ponder on this:
Panasonic wants to sell VariCams, but they need to keep a bag of tricks for the Vari that is big enough to justify the price difference. The differences between these two cameras have to be worth the price difference. Wouldn't the color, resolution, lens, all the image manipulation settings and tape deck be enough? If they are holding back on the additional frame rates in the HVX, then do you guys think that this translates to: "The image quality of the HVX is way too good, we better take something else off or they'll feel that they are getting ripped off when they buy VariCams"

I may be all wrong and totally upside down, but this is common practice in all manufacturing industries...

:thumbup: >>REGARDLESS, I'LL WEAR A PANASONIC SHIRT PROUDLY ANY DAY<< :thumbup:
 
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