EOS: R5mk2 - any thoughts

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morgan_moore

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So Im feeling that I dont trust the R6iii for overheats, I dont fancy the R50 with no screen and a poor location of the XLR box (its right where one would put a monitor) - that leads me to the R5mk2 and fan bottom.

but.. R5mk2 is 'soft' in regular not 'fine' mode, what about the performance at 50p in crop mode?
 
We used to talk about stuff like this all the time, but it's been years.

Your best bet is YouTube for random 4K/60p videos or specifically for a few modes tests (if available).

If the camera doesn't have a full-frame less compressed and higher-bitrate option for 4K/60p like with 4K/24p (fine mode or whatever else they may call it these days) then I'd expect less IQ.

Maybe see what it says for the S35 mode? (Usually the S35 mode had better 4K/60p if they wanted to limit the system, but the models have also been improving every generation.)

It looks like a fantastic camera and it's one I would own in the good ole days for sure.
 
morgan_moore said:
So Im feeling that I dont trust the R6iii for overheats, I dont fancy the R50 with no screen and a poor location of the XLR box (its right where one would put a monitor) - that leads me to the R5mk2 and fan bottom.

but.. R5mk2 is 'soft' in regular not 'fine' mode, what about the performance at 50p in crop mode?
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From what I've read the camera doesn't oversample in the 50p mode so it will appear softer...sorry if I'm not understanding your question correctly.
 
Appear softer? BE softer.

Yes I am asking if that downgrade is still apparent when in S35/crop mode which would surely be generated in a different manner.

Attached is a pic I nicked from Gerry of the Undone. This is for full frame recording (I think) to me the left hand side looks like craapr52_fine_vs_regular.JPG
 
You can drive yourself crazy with these type of questions. Some cameras shoot full quality but overheat, others have slow readout, crop, line skip, pixel bin or impose some sort of limitation in exchange for not over heating, or you have to pay thousands more and those cameras can have their own drawbacks.

The most pragmatic view I've come to for paid work over heating is more problematic than a lower quality image. How much quality loss you're willing to live with is subjective. While I'm an Undone fan will you be able to notice quality loss where neither you nor your client be able to see a side by side comparison of zoomed in still. Gerald has to setup these controlled tests to detect differences but can make small issues bigger than they really are in real scenarios.

There has been advancement in this area recently but might require you to change brands...
 
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Peter C. said:
You can drive yourself crazy with these type of questions. Some cameras shoot full quality but overheat, others have slow readout, crop, line skip, pixel bin or impose some sort of limitation in exchange for not over heating, or you have to pay thousands more and those cameras can have their own drawbacks.

The most pragmatic view I've come to for paid work over heating is more problematic than a lower quality image. How much quality loss you're willing to live with is subjective. While I'm an Undone fan will you be able to notice quality loss where neither you nor your client be able to see a side by side comparison of zoomed in still. Gerald has to setup these controlled tests to detect differences but can make small issues bigger than they really are in real scenarios.

There has been advancement in this area recently but might require you to change brands...
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Valid points,

I really have to frocus on what I do/want it seems to be three things..

1) personaly doco.. ideally r63+xlr box

2) client 'long roll' probablyt C80 and $1500 evf (shooting some adult codec)

3) cinematography/adverts, probably C80 (shooting raw)

Im too poor for C80and decent EVF

So skating around the options?

The R52 might do 1) 2) if I can personally accept soft 50.. I shoot all mt personal work at 50.
 
Without knowing your use case, any sort of tripod doc/interview, I’d get a fully featured video camera. Physical dials and things like xlr, phantom power, bigger batteries will make your life easier than rigging a mirrorless. I’d have a separate camera for other applications.
 
Peter C. said:
Without knowing your use case, any sort of tripod doc/interview, I’d get a fully featured video camera. Physical dials and things like xlr, phantom power, bigger batteries will make your life easier than rigging a mirrorless. I’d have a separate camera for other applications.
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I think I have outlined three use cases.

1) small handheld
2)corporate sit down and also corporate run around*
3) cinemtography (usually more planned boarded and structured, without long roll times)

Considering the pay of (2) Im wondering if I can shoehorn 1/2 into one camera with the addition of an XLR box. Or maybe shoehorn 2/3 into one camera.

Of course I have FS7 and C200, the C200 would probably be traded in.. the FS7.. im re exploring for sit downs as I was not in love with it for 1 or 3 but Ive used it as a lock off camera a bit recently.

* 2) I have a little interface with a major construction project and its kind of formal but running around as well ! xlr needed, small and ND also needed... the unicorn camera.
 
Maybe combine 1 & part of 2 (corporate runaround) + 2 & 3?

So you have a small handheld camera that also covers any running around and you also have a "Sticks" high quality camera.

I am not quite sure of your end quality goals given your lean towards lower budget? Is the C200 in RAW mode falling short for your cinematography as it would seem to work for a corporate interview. If you replace the C200 for the sticks role, what is the quality level you would step up to? I would think any mirrorless would be on par?

I think the era of diminishing returns is upon us which makes things simple yet difficult.
 
morgan_moore said:
Ive a z9 in hand and Im doing some testing of various cameras

The zlens MF is a sht as my canon nifty fifty. 'fly by flopp string'
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A brilliant innovation of the Zeiss Otus cleverly displays the focus plane in the viewfinder avoiding fail by flopp string artifacts.
 
Bassman2003 said:
Maybe combine 1 & part of 2 (corporate runaround) + 2 & 3?

So you have a small handheld camera that also covers any running around and you also have a "Sticks" high quality camera.

I am not quite sure of your end quality goals given your lean towards lower budget? Is the C200 in RAW mode falling short for your cinematography as it would seem to work for a corporate interview. If you replace the C200 for the sticks role, what is the quality level you would step up to? I would think any mirrorless would be on par?

I think the era of diminishing returns is upon us which makes things simple yet difficult.
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Yes - Im clearly not clear, maybe with my typing or with what is going on in my head.

Ill mention the C200.. which on a bright set can perform very very well.

It is really too heavy to do personal work (1)
for (2) and (3)
It fails on
-af quality
-Iso speed
-data rate

Clearly it is time to repleace it with a C50 or C80.. but they removed the EVF from those cameras making them 'useless' (for 1-2)

..hence my delve into the world of canon EVF cameras R52 R3 whatever . these camera look great until you dig a little.

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Yes I have budget. but budget is not all - if you want to be nimble an r5/6 can eat a c400 or amira
 
Tom Roper said:
A brilliant innovation of the Zeiss Otus cleverly displays the focus plane in the viewfinder avoiding fail by flopp string artifacts.
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The zlens .. 'fly by wire'.. the actual experience is that you turn them and nothing happens, and then they shoot to macro.. they are 'fly by floppy string'
 
morgan_moore said:
Yes - Im clearly not clear, maybe with my typing or with what is going on in my head.

Ill mention the C200.. which on a bright set can perform very very well.

It is really too heavy to do personal work (1)
for (2) and (3)
It fails on
-af quality
-Iso speed
-data rate

Clearly it is time to repleace it with a C50 or C80.. but they removed the EVF from those cameras making them 'useless' (for 1-2)

..hence my delve into the world of canon EVF cameras R52 R3 whatever . these camera look great until you dig a little.

--

Yes I have budget. but budget is not all - if you want to be nimble an r5/6 can eat a c400 or amira
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Yes, I was coming at like a small nimble camera + a larger, higher quality camera. If the C200 does not fit the larger, higher quality camera then it looks like you will be doing a full kit refresh. Sell it all and try to find (only) two cameras + lenses to move forward with. It would seem your choice for the high quality camera would be the most difficult/important as the choices for the nimble camera are bountiful.
 
Bassman2003 said:
It would seem your choice for the high quality camera would be the most difficult/important as the choices for the nimble camera are bountiful.
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Yes the C200 really fails in 2-3 as I said ISO, AF quality data rate (fail on 2)

Upgraing my R6 is a 'nice to have' unless it becomes so up graded that it hits '2'

Im so annoyed with Canon as they just dont seem to make a (2) camera if one defines (2) as 'has EVF' and 'has functionl af' 'rolls without overheating'

.. and there we are back at the R52..
'functional AF'
'rolls without overheating'
'has evf'

ND can be 'fixed'



which would fill 1/2 if it were not for 'mushy 50'
 
morgan_moore said:
Yes the C200 really fails in 2-3 as I said ISO, AF quality data rate (fail on 2)

Upgraing my R6 is a 'nice to have' unless it becomes so up graded that it hits '2'

Im so annoyed with Canon as they just dont seem to make a (2) camera if one defines (2) as 'has EVF' and 'has functionl af' 'rolls without overheating'

.. and there we are back at the R52..
'functional AF'
'rolls without overheating'
'has evf'

ND can be 'fixed'



which would fill 1/2 if it were not for 'mushy 50'
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R5C perhaps? You'll need a handful of the newest LP-E6 batteries, but it still ticks a lot of boxes.

It's not soft in regular mode. You can slap an XLR box on it still and it has an EVF.

Not as modern as the newest options, but still a killer option, IMO.
 
morgan_moore said:
The zlens .. 'fly by wire'.. the actual experience is that you turn them and nothing happens, and then they shoot to macro.. they are 'fly by floppy string'
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The Zeiss Otus is a manual-only focus prime. That's why I mentioned it. I don't recall the Nikon Z lenses behaving in the way you described but I honestly don't recall if I ever tried. I have a few of them, tack sharp but one of the reasons for getting them was to have a mirrorless camera with excellent AUTO focus, which was a failure point on my Panasonic mirrorless cameras.
 
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