question about projecting dvx

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Cheesesailor77

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I'm not planning on transfering anything I shoot to film or anything like that for a long time, but I would like to have the option of projecting it using a digital projector to show ppl.

I know ppl keep talking about whats the best way to get the 16:9 ratio, which matters if you project it really big.

Ok, my question is how big you can digitally project the different anamorphic modes before they become too ugly.
 
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Well, that depends on how far away you are from the screen. I saw DVX/Anamorphic footage projected on a 30' screen, and from the sixth row, it was borderline. It was okay, but just barely. But from the back of the room it looked fantastic.

So, the rule of thumb I use is, hold your hand out in front of you as far as you can, make a fist, and stick yout your index and pinky fingers (like a cow's horns, etc). Use that to gauge the width of the screen you're looking at. If the screen is two hands' worth wide, it should look fine. If it's three hands' worth, that's starting to get to the point where it's going to not look so good.
 
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.. but barry, i have small impish like circus hands.. and the only thing i can span is a thimble LOL just kidding! :P
 
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Hate to bring this up again, but will it make a big difference whether I shoot squeeze or letterbox it?
 
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I had a screening here http://www.studioscreenings.com/ this past May for a short I shot. It was projected off a DVD. I shot in letterbox mode and the tech filled out the screen (zoom) with the inside of the image (i.e., no black bars on top or bottom). The screen isn't huge (18X9) but it looked fine. Most of my guests didn't know it wasn't shot on film. As Barry said, the larger the screen or the closer the audience, the sooner the limits of the medium are revealed.
 
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Of course it will. Squeeze will make it anamorphic, whereas letterbox leaves it as 4:3 with black bars on it. They are not the same, they are not interchangeable.
 
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thanks pete

Barry, what i mean is, what ever I end up shooting, I'll probably put letterboxed on a dvd and project it. Peter helped me by giving specific dimension, 18x9, so now im asking if shooting in squeez or letterboxing it will make a difference when I put it on dvd and project it.

Thanks again you smart 'ums you ;D
 
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Depends on your projector your using.. if it is native "widescreen" 16x9 chips, you should make it a 24p 16x9 DVD, It will unsqueeze it for you.

I have a 120 inch screen beside me that I watch dvx stuff off of progressive DVD's or a HD link from my NLE, and at 12' away from the screen you just start to notice the breakup. ITs pretty much 2+1/2 "cowhorns"
 
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This issue confuses me a little because I've yet to see any dv footage projected on a big screen. What's the advantage to shooting 16:9 over 4:3 if you're not transfering to film?

I figure in camera 16:9 will fill out more of the screen, but 4:3 will allow the highest resolution (Unless you shoot with the anamorphic adapter which I feel has to many limitations).

If you're not using the adapter, wouldn't it be better to just shoot 4:3, fill less of the screen, and have the highest resolution, than to shoot 16:9 and have less resolution?

Again, I've never seen any footage projected on a large screen, so I could be completely off base with what I'm saying.
 
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it all about framing. if that were not the case, why would they bother cropping the 4:3 35mm all the way down to 2.35:1 for projection?

..its becuase the framing and compostition within a 16:9 or 1.85:1 or 2.35:1 frame is a heck of alot more "cinematic" and pleasing than a 4:3 frame. sure you can compose nicely for 4:3 but it just looks "TV ish" theres something about the big wide screen that makes you feel immersed in the experience.

I for one just plain think it looks better. but whatever floats your boat. you can project whatever pleases you.. make it a star shape .. or perhaps a shilhouette of a twinkie with rounded edges! :P
 
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!6:9 displaying definitely gives a better "viewing experience". It's not easy to estimate the correct viewing distance. DIN/ISO standards do exist and a 3x screen width is claimed to be the best distance for quality images. The better the image quality w.r.t. resolution and spatial artifacts is the closer one can go. VHS looks may be better at 9x screenwidths...If you don't have native anamorphic (CCD or lens) keep 4:3 and let it blow up to 16:9 (letterboxed) on yr screen. Projectors do a better uprez job than cams.
 
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DVguru,I get what you are saying. Thing is, almost every projector now adays worth its salt has native 16x9 chips in it. So if you push your 4:3 stuff onto it, it will crop it for you.
 
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Sorry, for this question, but here it goes?
Do I just plug the DVX straight into the projector.
And does the projector handle 24p and anamorphic the same way a DVD player would?
 
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I use a Samsung DVD progressive player that has DVI out on it. I plug that into a native 16:9 720x1280 projector that has DVI input. The DVD player does a very nice internal uprez to 720x1280.

I create progressive 16:9 anamorphic encoding of the program to take full advantage of the pixels in the NTSC signal. In order to do so, it must be shot as such during production. I do have to tilt & scan from time to time when I have 4:3 sources in order for this work, but a high quality scaler in a render process will do this for you.

I sometimes let the emcoder so the 16:9 anamorphic from 4:3 sources by setting its crop function to 16:9 and indicating it as 16:9 material. I will do the same when creation 720 x 1280 Windows Media 9 and I can’t wait to get the new Sonic Solutions WM9 authoring program in the fall to create HD DVD. I have found that WM9 has a very nice quality scaler in it. At Sundance, I was creating HD WM9 for screening purposes on a DLP projector from DVX100 sources and they looked great.

Michael
 
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