Pxw-fs7

also, as silly as it sounds, I'd probably pre-order this immediately if they fixed the shutter angle across frame rates (i.e. 180º is always "double the frame rate". So you set your angle to 180 and just flip between frame rates without re-adjusting shutter.)
 
My main thing is the setting the ISO. I hope we are not tied to the 3 click lever. That thing sucks.

Also, put in an internal mic so we don't need to have a mic on top all the time. Half the time, I just need reference sound so it would be nice to have less stuff on the camera.

Anyways... this camera is rad and I'm probably getting it. IMO, most complete camera ever for the price. Amazing.
 
gene_can_sing said:
My main thing is the setting the ISO. I hope we are not tied to the 3 click lever. That thing sucks.
Also, put in an internal mic so we don't need to have a mic on top all the time. Half the time, I just need reference sound so it would be nice to have less stuff on the camera.
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As I understand it, you can control ISO with the scroll wheel. There's even one on the handle that I think can be used for that.
Lit also have internal mic.
 
No matter what comes out now. At least this year we may still get upwards to 5/6000 for a used fs700 in good shape. The fs7 will cost $14,000 when it's all said and done to shoot RAW at 12 bit. $8000 camera, 2500 interface plus 3500 for odyssey (but need to spend over 4000 to make 7Q production ready). Realistically now if you wanted an fs700/7Q combo you're looking at a smidgen over $10 g's. So if someone was able to get an fs700 for $6000 (great price) plus the odyssey 7Q for $4500 (media included) That's a savings of $4/4500 cheaper than the fs7. Hey it does 240 fps, RAW, 120 4k, ProRes 4k2HD, 12 bits. If you ask me it's a hell of a deal. Regardless of this new beauty that just got announced. For that price/feature set the fs700 is still very much a relevant camera for today's standards.
 
jshbckr said:
At this price? Might work for RED but on an $8K camera... nah. My FS700 has definitely pulled its weight and been worth the investment. Being able to sell it and get a little out of it to reinvest is a bonus, to me.
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All prices I've seen from official sources is that the price is "under $10.000" without lens and "under €13.000" with the lens. If you want to be able to record raw you need the accessory pack which is around $2.500.
So it will be quite a bit more expensive than the FS700 if you want to get into raw recording.
 
For me the FS7 is more interesting because of it's form factor.
It can handle 10bit 4k internally up to 60fps on "cheap" QXD cards.
So camera, your old lens setup and 2 more 3rd party battries + a few
XQD cards. Should still be under 12k $.

Me, personally I will wait for availability and street prices and decide
upon customer request. If there's room, I'll be in.

10bit 4k in slog3 is massive against my FS100 8bit AVCHD footage.
The FS700 doesn't do that much more internally. Cinegammas are
nice but not that big advantage. I can still work with my FS100
until the FS7 is in my range.

The FS7 is the first "complete" doc-machine which doesn't need anything
else than batteries, memory, lens and an experienced operator...

Everybody seems to want RAW but in the same moment people want compressed 4k
from the CG for their FS700. What's the sense?
 
gene_can_sing said:
My main thing is the setting the ISO. I hope we are not tied to the 3 click lever. That thing sucks.

Also, put in an internal mic so we don't need to have a mic on top all the time. Half the time, I just need reference sound so it would be nice to have less stuff on the camera.

Anyways... this camera is rad and I'm probably getting it. IMO, most complete camera ever for the price. Amazing.
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Yes!! I agree 100% on both of those, would love just basic internal mic of some sort for music video sync and reference and yeah the ISO as a nice solid wheel of sorts would be great.
 
Any of you guys read Mitch's response? Apparently, to record RAW you need, the Back Attachment, the Battery adapter and also a large battery, none of which are cheap (the back attachement alone is rumored to be $2500) and makes the camera way, way bigger. Seems like a minimum of $3.5K more, and that's if you have a 7Q or R5. Crazy cash.

The FS700 + 7Q might stay a bit longer now. Gotta think about that.
 
To be clear, the accessory back has the V-mount battery plate integrated. I think it will sell for around $2K. V-mount batteries & chargers are available in all sorts of sizes and prices. You could buy some basic bricks and chargers from Switronix and get a full day's solution for maybe $1K.
 
Erik Wittbusch said:
For me the FS7 is more interesting because of it's form factor.
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Same here. I'm not particularly interested in 4k even. If I can shoot HD and in a better codec and 10bit internally, I'm happy.
Which is why the 7Q is just overkill for me. It's a €3500 fix for the bad codec and edge contrast issues of the FS700. Oh, and it's around €1000 if I want to be able to have it on my shoulder sometimes too.
The FS7 is pretty much perfect for me. That grip with assignable buttons is maybe the most interesting part! I Just need to decide if it's worth the hassle to sell the FS700 and then be without a b-cam for a long time. Or just keep the FS700 and get the A7s as b-cam. And then try to forget that the FS7 exists ;)
 
I'm actually that YouTuber type they seem to be marketing this to. I don't have much interest in RAW. It's great, but only if i were to create a professional film or commercial, which i don't do. The form factor, like you guys said, is the main draw. If i can sell my FS700 and 7Q together for what the FS7 will cost (no lens or add on).... i might do it JUST to get a smaller, lighter set up that does pretty much all i want to do. Guess it will depend on the price of the new camera, and what i can actually get for this gear i JUST BOUGHT! Have a feeling i'll just be sticking with my current stuff.
 
Gene brings up a good point with the internal mic. Most of my pain points with the FS700 are probably things most people thing aren't important but to me they are the details that can make things a pain or a breeze: Internal mic for reference audio to keep rig size down. Relative shutter angles that stay fixed properly between frame rates. Quickly selecting a wider variety of ISO sensitivities. Moisture/dust resistance.

Of course the spec-sheet is great, 10-bit 4K, 1080p 180 constant, V-mount + TimeCode + RAW + ProRes w/ the extension unit... but I pretty much have all of that with the FS700+7Q. It's the things I listed above that no firmware upgrade or external recorder can give me.
 
I have the official PXW-FS/ brochure here. It says:

Built-in microphone
Omni-directional monoral electret condenser microphone

Here's more:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4484091/PXW-FS7_Brochure.pdf

And yes, the ISO is assignable to one at least one or two of the dials, which is a big plus for me too.
For the very first time, Sony seems not to hold back some of their solutions to seperate this camera
from others in their portfolio. It's a little early to say so even before I had the camera in my hands,
but it really seems they did a lot of things right this time.
At least for me as doc filmmaker. Internal 10 bit HD in a good codec in shoulder-style form factor
with open mount. So nice!

I'm just waiting for the price to be affordable for me. 2015? 2016?
Making money with your own documentaries isn't easy these days... :Drogar-Evil(DBG):
 
Yes, you're right, thank you. S cards seem to be enough. So 25min (64GB) at 25p or 10min at 60p, it's 600 euros ... The SSDs of CD are not so expensive.
 
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Depending on how the actual images look coming out of this, I might actually be tempted to switch from Canon to Sony. I think the last Sony I owned was a PD-150.
 
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