PUSH - Directed by Matt Sconce

Wish I could but my job is not having it. I will have one sick day left as I take two vacation days for AOF. I have to save the day so I don't get fired next time I get sick. I will represent in Spirit, as you know I have a ton of that!:engel017:

Dude, you need a new job.

Btw, i was VERY surprised that Push didnt make the finalists, it did in my rankings!
 
Dude, you need a new job.

Btw, i was VERY surprised that Push didnt make the finalists, it did in my rankings!


Thanks. I went through about two to three days of being very dissapointed. But I figure it is not the end of the world. In the end, I make movies primarily for the general public, not other filmmakers. Dvxuser is a tough audience because we are all filmmakers and we view things differently than people who are not. I have found that people who have seen the movie outside of the fest have enjoyed it and got caught up in the story and triumphant excitement. That is what I was hoping to do. I just saw Wanted today and realized that despite some of the acting being top notch, I will never see the cast up for academy awards or oscars because it was an action flick. Sad but true. The same can be said of comedy. Oh well. I tried hard and have a movie to show for it, and that is prize enough for me. Timefest got me off my butt once again to make a movie and that is gold.
 
Push is a triumphant, deep, highly entertaining, epic film... A thinker's film. PUSH has powerful cinematography, technical excellence, great sound, great score, appropriate and realistic acting, and wonderful script.

I judged the many films with two simple axioms of a viewer: Would I make time for, and pay to see this film concept? Would I leave the theater happy I spent the money on the film? PUSH wins with both in my book.

I was highly impressed with all of those films in the top 8 and am very happy for those involved.

I was honestly surprised by, in my opinion, a few somewhat unreasonable critiques of PUSH. In the movie Die Hard, who counts the bullets? Who cares that the protagonists still runs around full speed after pulling a 2 inch piece of glass out of his foot?

I was not very surprised to see PUSH didn't make the top 8.

Some will notice that I haven't posted much since I was PM's that my posts were hurting Matt's chances of PUSH doing well in the fest, with the PM'er saying many felt that way. When I read the PM, (and I was thankful for the kind person PMing me about this) I was emotionally saddened and hurt that 'many' felt I had irreparably hurt PUSH and my son Matt's chances in the fest. I was devastated.

For the many kind persons who defended my right to also post, thanks. I truly hope that low rating by some for PUSH was not my fault. But, who knows?

I was so excited and happy to post on this site. I have now learned my lesson.

Now, for the final 8... Wow... They are all so good! How does one choose? Man.. this is tough. Best to all and God bless. :)
 
I am sorry you feel that way Dad. You rock and you should always remember that. I do agree that Action does not fare well in film festivals including this one, and while some may have been petty enough to rank PUSH low due to personal grievances against Hyperactive, I do not think it was the majority.

I thank all of you who have supported me and our excitement here. I hope you have felt we have been supportive to all of the other filmmakers as well, because we have definitely tried to be. This is a great place and we will always love and be a part of it.
-Matt
 
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Sorry to derail the thread, but I wanted to ask Matt what his sig says? I can't really read it cause the font is too small. ;)

I checked out your site, Matt, and it is really cool. I liked your demo reel, but I wanted to ask why you only had music playing and no audio from the film? I'm not trying to second guess or belittle your reel at all, but being a sound guy that puzzled me. I think it would help if, at least in certain scenes, you take the dialog stem and played just the dialog from the film and duck the reel music under. Just food for thought.
 
Sorry to derail the thread, but I wanted to ask Matt what his sig says? I can't really read it cause the font is too small. ;)

I checked out your site, Matt, and it is really cool. I liked your demo reel, but I wanted to ask why you only had music playing and no audio from the film? I'm not trying to second guess or belittle your reel at all, but being a sound guy that puzzled me. I think it would help if, at least in certain scenes, you take the dialog stem and played just the dialog from the film and duck the reel music under. Just food for thought.

Good thought. I am working on a more in depth version that will have that, but I made the reel before I had the dialogue inserted for PUSH so I chose to go exciting music for now.:happy:
 
I do agree that Action does not fare well in film festivals including this one, and while some may have been petty enough to rank PUSH low due to personal grievances against Hyperactive, I do not think it was the majority.

I disagree on both points Matt... who here has "personal grievances" against Hyperactive? Come on!

And... dude, Action fares well... look at Survival, and O2... both films have lots of Action in them... and they're top 8...

I think a lot of people did enjoy PUSH (it was in my top 10) and you probably did very well in the voting...
 
I disagree on both points Matt... who here has "personal grievances" against Hyperactive? Come on!

And... dude, Action fares well... look at Survival, and O2... both films have lots of Action in them... and they're top 8...

I think a lot of people did enjoy PUSH (it was in my top 10) and you probably did very well in the voting...

I am happy you enjoyed PUSH as that was my goal, as well as stretching my own boundaries. I felt many people were very supportive.

Brandon, we recieved PM's telling us exactly what I wrote about personal grievances. I understand you did not read them, but you cannot disagree with the fact people told us there was that issue. Maybe you did not feel that way, but that does not mean other people did not. I do not think the majority did, but some DEFINITELY did, hence the Pm messages.


Also, when I am talking action, I am talking Jet Li, Transporter, Die Hard, Wanted, John Woo's stuff, Iron Man, The Hulk "new one". Usually these types of movies do not fare as well in the awards world as say movies like "Juno" or "Bucket List". I was just making an observation. I think it is understood this is the case.

All this Drama aside, It was a good experience and I am glad I chose to make the movie I did, and I am happy with the team I have found, and the close relationships I have developed with many of the DVXusers here. Thanks guys!
 
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Wow, I wasn't even aware of the drama. But Matt - you had a kickass short. I said it in my review and stand by it. Keep your head up man. I know you can turn something around that is a great film.
 
Gary,

it's taken me a couple days to respond to your post, because I really wanted to think about how you were feeling and what would be an appropriate response to perhaps give you some new perspective of sort of how these festivals work. In fact, I went back and watched PUSH one more time to make sure that all my concerns were valid. That and the fact that I've thought about this for two days should say something. *seriously ... get out of my head!*

Push is a triumphant, deep, highly entertaining, epic film... A thinker's film. PUSH has powerful cinematography, technical excellence, great sound, great score, appropriate and realistic acting, and wonderful script.

I could agree and disagree with any number of these, but frankly it would come down to me having my opinion and you having yours. Which ... like most other beliefs, no matter what i tell you, or you tell me, isn't going to convince us that either of our feelings are wrong. And, frankly, if all those things were 100% accurate, you would have run away with 1st place. But HUNDREDS of DVXusers disagreed with you somewhere along the lines, and, like it or not, you have to take their opinions and feelings into account, and hopefully, take honest criticism to heart, brush aside/bury the silly nit-picks, and make better films in the future.

I was honestly surprised by, in my opinion, a few somewhat unreasonable critiques of PUSH. In the movie Die Hard, who counts the bullets? Who cares that the protagonists still runs around full speed after pulling a 2 inch piece of glass out of his foot?

I was not very surprised to see PUSH didn't make the top 8.

Last year, we made a little film called "Refill" for Spyfest, not the greatest film in the world, but it had its moments. I remember one commenter who liked our film, but could get over the fact that our main character had different ties on through the course of the film ( ... different tie, different day right? apparently not for this guy). It was a ridiculous nit-pick, which we had to brush aside, cause frankly, it wasn't helpful criticism. Do I think this guy voted us lower because of the "tie" issue? No. Do I think he had deeper criticisms but posted the tie thing because it was easier and wouldn't start an argument? Maybe. BUT! Most importantly, Was it because the "tie" issue, an "unreasonable critique" that we finished 10th instead of 5th or 3rd? Absolutely not. It was because the viewing audience here at DVXuser thought there were 9 films better than ours.

And by bringing up Die Hard, you open up an entirely new can of worms. Let's face it, Die Hard rocks my socks off, I've owned it in every format made. This wasn't the greatest response by you, because you are equating your film to Die Hard. Sort of like an "if we took those things out, Die Hard and PUSH are the same". This is an instance where you either A. don't draw attention to the silly criticism or B. come back and say "if that's the only thing that bothered them, we must have done a good job" OR c. PM the user for some more honest feedback.

Some will notice that I haven't posted much since I was PM's that my posts were hurting Matt's chances of PUSH doing well in the fest, with the PM'er saying many felt that way. When I read the PM, (and I was thankful for the kind person PMing me about this) I was emotionally saddened and hurt that 'many' felt I had irreparably hurt PUSH and my son Matt's chances in the fest. I was devastated.

For the many kind persons who defended my right to also post, thanks. I truly hope that low rating by some for PUSH was not my fault. But, who knows?

I was so excited and happy to post on this site. I have now learned my lesson.

GARY! Don't go PLOM on us! (that's Poor Little Ol Me). That's not the fire and tenacity I've seen from the Hyperactive crew in the past! Like I said before, HUNDREDS of users voted (and continue to vote) on these films. I would have told that first PMer to go SPIT. I would say that I am in good contact with many DVXusers on this site, and you know how many I have the ability to influence their vote on? NONE. Now, if your intention was SOLELY to win this contest, then I think your strategy pre-fest was a little flawed, but was that your SOLE intention? I thought you were here to make a kick-ass action flick. And you've officially let the person who PM'ed you win by stopping posting. Stopping posting won't help you at all. Try to think about how posting can HELP Matt the most. (perhaps showing vested interest in other films pre-fest or tailoring your posts to try and generate excitement for PUSH).

And just to give you ONE more anecdote, be sure to take your audience into account. there is a broad and varied member base here at DVXuser and many of them are talented filmmakers, (to whom I take/seek the most advice from normally.) and this member/voting base is completely different than any other festival out there. With our last film, we had one and only one goal in mind, to WIN All Hallows Fest, so we tailored our entire short film towards that goal, I went out and I got a phenomenal actor and let him carry the whole film, i didn't do anything out of my range that looked silly, I had a nice twist and great last shot that would stay with the viewers, I brought Herman on as a composer (who had won festivals with JDS), and other talented crew members as well. And yes, we ended up winning, but that's not the point. The point is that I submitted that same film to AOF, (an early deadline mind you), and unlike PUSH and others on DVXuser, we haven't been nominated for squat, let alone be accepted. It's ALL about your audience.

So, go ahead, make the films that are in your heart, i wouldn't have it any other way. Just realize that the films that you have in your heart and the films that win DVXuser contests ... aren't always going to line up.

Now, for the final 8... Wow... They are all so good! How does one choose? Man.. this is tough. Best to all and God bless. :)

A sincere thanks from our end. I hope to see Hyperactive in the next fest! :thumbsup:
 
It IS all about your Audience. Who are we making our films for?
:engel017:
For me, I am attempting to make movies I love that appeal to a large base and help get me noticed by someone who thinks they can make money from my work, and therefore funds my films. So far, that is going well. Slowly, but surely. I make movies to secure my future career using the festival as motivation to get off my butt and do it. That is my goal, so while my movies may not do the best when torn apart by other filmmakers, they seem to please people and get noticed, and open doors. I am not crying about not winning the festival. I am grateful for the festival, because it served as motivation to once again go through this tedious, but rewarding process we all know and love called filmmaking. Congrats to all of you for getting out there and making these films!:thumbsup:
 
Matt,

I used to think the same way about films, but lately I've changed my tone a bit... I think a great, engaging story will draw in people, regardless of if they're "filmmakers" or "film critics" or whatever... I think that shows what a good film truly is... yes we'll all have our likes and dislikes, but generally a great, engaging, relatable (sp?) story will draw in a very large audience of both the general public, and "film people"
 
Interesting discussion.
I tend to make movies for myself. If other people like them... that's a huge bonus.

I really don't look at an idea and then try to make it work for any specific audience. However, I have made a real effort to portray the story a little more clearly. In a way... that's the same thing.

DVXuser and its Members have really helped to teach me just that. Feedback has been instrumental to say the least.

Looking forward to seeing what you bring next Fest!

Cheers,

Mike
 
Matt,

I used to think the same way about films, but lately I've changed my tone a bit... I think a great, engaging story will draw in people, regardless of if they're "filmmakers" or "film critics" or whatever... I think that shows what a good film truly is... yes we'll all have our likes and dislikes, but generally a great, engaging, relatable (sp?) story will draw in a very large audience of both the general public, and "film people"

Oh, I absolutely agree about a great engaging story being important!:cheesy:

I am not promoting that we should make lame movies, I am agreeing with Ben about Audiences. A filmmaker critique is different from a non-filmmaker critique. Ben gave the example of AOF. How can PUSH be nominated for Best Action Short of the Year there and not place in the top 8 here? The answer is audiences. AOF likes that style of movie, so they nominate it for things. It didn't fare as well here, but that is only because the audiences wanted and were looking for different things.

I disagree with your statement: "I think a great, engaging story will draw in people, regardless of if they're "filmmakers" or "film critics" or whatever... I think that shows what a good film truly is... " (emphasis mine)

Take the example Ben gave. He won All Hallows fest, but AOF has not recognized his film. Does that make it a bad film or a good film. The answer is that is cannot make it one or the other. It can be a good film either way. His movie appealed to the people here at DVXuser and not to the AOF guys. Different Audiences like diferent things. The same but opposite can be said of PUSH. Did the fact that it did not make the top 8 here make it a lesser film. Nope, it still has its place but with different audiences.

You can't hope to make a movie that pleases or makes everyone happy no matter how engaging your story is.

Until a filmmaker realizes that it is normal and okay to not win everyone's heart, he/she will always feel personally attacked by criticism.
 
I tend to make movies for myself.

Which I do too... and as long as you're "normal" enough, a lot of people SHOULD like it... but, here's the thing... you have to make a film that has a good story... not something that just looks cool... I keep harping on this, because I feel it's so important, and a lot of young guys seem to forget this...

I've seen so many young filmmakers creating shorts around cool scenes, or cool shots, and not on a great, engaging, intriguing story... which is what you have to have first! I think a scene can spawn that story, but you cannot just create something built around that....

Story is key... and if you make a film with a story that grips and moves YOU usually people will be on board... also, be sure to make it understandable... the audience doesn't have the insight you do... it's a balance of holding their hand, and letting them fill in the blanks.
 
Interesting discussion.
I tend to make movies for myself. If other people like them... that's a huge bonus.

I think that is a great reason to make movies. I also make the movies I love to make. The only new thing for me is now, in the conceptual stages, I take into account the business potential as well. I guess you could say I make sure that what I make could potentially make money for me in the long run. Otherwise. Wife=Kills me.....hhe
 
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but, here's the thing... you have to make a film that has a good story... not something that just looks cool... I keep harping on this, because I feel it's so important, and a lot of young guys seem to forget this...

I absolutely agree about good stories. Wait... Young guys?.... how old are you?:laugh:
 
I appreciated your thoughtful post, Ben. I also appreciate your equanimity and candor, Matt and I believe that you, Gary, are a wonderful guy who really is an asset to your team.

I think these kind of discussions are helpful in a lot of ways, though, if we're willing to have them civilly. I think Fat Monster has stepped in enough dog poop over the years so that nobody thinks we claim to be a model team. I do hope that when we've gotten darts and arrows that we've been gracious and positive and we've truly tried to accept every opinion as having value.

My point is that the way this business works really requires a lot of political finesse -- at least when you are down in the trenches we indie filmmakers operate in. The process of courting investors and schmoozing assistance requires both humility and a deft touch of charm.

I believe its really important to guard against coming across negatively or defensively. Matt and Gary, I honestly feel that you seem to be wearing your emotions on your sleeves a bit here. The question isn't what the worth of your film is or even how "good" it is in absolute terms.

Obviously, you are both extremely happy with PUSH and that's great. I think we all can say we hope you get accolades and awards with it at the AOF festival. But then when you make statements like this it comes across (to me) as defensive and not really helpful to your cause:
How can PUSH be nominated for Best Action Short of the Year there and not place in the top 8 here? The answer is audiences. AOF likes that style of movie, so they nominate it for things.
Perhaps you don't mean to come across this way, but to me, your comments suggest that you feel a bit bruised. With regard to the above thesis and whether it can be taken seriously, how many films are entered in AOF as "action shorts"? How many of those are nominated? What is the quality of the "action shorts" entered? Unless you have the answers to those kind of questions it seems a bit petty and defensive to make your opening statement because you seem to be making a bit of a straw man argument by focusing on your nomination as having merit in considering your performance in the Time Fest.

To me, at least, your posts definitely seem to be getting across that you both believe PUSH was better than at least some of the eight films that are the finalists and that you find it necessary to justify your feelings by pushing PUSH. If you honestly believe that then good for you and kudos to you for that confidence. However, how you come across to your peers here IS important (at least in my mind) and I believe you'd fare better in terms of perception if you guys would take these fests for what they are, use the critiques to make better films and recognize that there is value in learning why the voters chose not to put your film in the finals. I also believe that if you address the issues raised in the critiques you received that you will be armed with the ability to make an ACTION film (by whatever standard you choose to apply) that will place in the top three and very possibly win a future fest.

To walk away feeling that this was a "tough room" to play in and then dismissing it by saying "I was making a film for a different audience" really kind of ignores some of the real valid critiques that I read in your thread. You've got a crack crew, a friggin' RED camera for heaven's sake, experience and motivation. I think you had a lot of marvelous stuff in PUSH but I also think you had some shortcomings that you can easily address and learn from.

And, for the record, I expected your film to be in the top 8 myself but I also can appreciate the critiques and suggestions you received as having validity too. In fact, I seriously learned a lot from your film and the reviews you got. I applaud you for such an ambitious project. I expect great things from your team in the future.
 
Thanks Mark for your post, as I absolutely did not mean to come off at all like it may have seemed, and I do not want to offend anyone or be a egocentric lame-o. I am absolutely taking everything to heart people are saying about PUSH. I do not at all think it is perfect by any means. I think I needed to cut differently in the white room, spend more time on finessing the performances from the actors, and make the story more understandable to a wider audience. All I was meaning was that it seems films are viewed differently in different contexts, by different audiences, and that perspective does not define their worth.

I was responding to the statement that Brandon posted about wide reception of a movie (appealing to all people) defining the "Goodness" of a movie. I disagreed, and was trying to illustrate that.



Action On Film is an action based film festival and there will be many many action shorts at the fest. There will most likely be 5 nominees for each category if previous fests dictate the format for this year, so I was honored to have PUSH nominated for the award it did. I was not devaluing any other film or festival, I was simply trying to show how different audiences view things.

I do believe DVXuser was a tough room for PUSH, but I just think its because I made the story too abstract. I DO NOT think the critiques are a bad thing, as I think the feedback I received was invaluable and helped me become a better filmmaker. I appreciate all the people who have taken the time to review PUSH and care about our development, and did not mean to offend anyone.
 
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