Public Enemies - A Michael Mann Film

Wow I guess it wasn't the Viper...not that it matters because my gripes with it seem to be the same (the image). That weird cadence problem is the same across a lot of those camera, including the Genesis. I can't stand it lol.

EX1 though eh? Interesting.
 
KyleProhaska said:
That weird cadence problem is the same across a lot of those camera, including the Genesis. I can't stand it lol.
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It's not cadence. With digital cameras you can shoot with a 1/24th speed shutter, which is impossible with film cameras because of the mechanical shutter. DP's use it because they can get an extra stop in low light situations, but the result is more blurring and smearing with movement which results in a video-like look.
 
No it isn't just the shutter issues, there are shots in that trailer that are slowmo, 1/48th (it looks like), etc. but they all have the same problem to my eye. Fast moving shots as well. Even if what you said was true, it isn't the only reason. I can pick out shots all throughout that with the talent moving slow, fast, etc. and it just has video written all over it.

Edit: that lonely shot of the car driving on that road in the forest @ 1:46. Even that shot looks like 60i in some strange way.
 
What I find funny is our lower end cameras don't have this problem. I see HVX/HPX/A1/H1/etc. footage that looks gorgeous and just right. How is it these ridiculously expensive cameras can't do it?
 
All I thought as I was watching the trailer was "This looks like a History Channel re-enactment. A really big budget one with good lighting and big stars...but still a History Channel re-enactment." I'm still going to see the movie, and if the story and performances are engaging enough, I'll probably be able to get past the look of it.
 
Billy Pilgrim said:
All I thought as I was watching the trailer was "This looks like a History Channel re-enactment. A really big budget one with good lighting and big stars...but still a History Channel re-enactment." I'm still going to see the movie, and if the story and performances are engaging enough, I'll probably be able to get past the look of it.
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lol that is the perfect explanation of what I was trying to say. It has the same look as those sequences, your absolutely right.
 
A good point I heard Newton Thomas Sigel make on those who wish to get an aged, classical aesthetic for period films was that even if you do your best work in achieving the richly ornate design of the period that you're looking for, you're still using modern film stocks, cameras, and lenses. This is one of the reasons I loved There Will Be Blood so much (besides the fact that Anderson is a mad-man genius like Day Lewis and everything they do is fantastic), because Bob Elswit and Anderson denigrated lenses and worked backwards a little, utilizing film stocks with a lower iso and even used a 1910 pathe camera 43mm lens in some shots.

I'm excited for PE still because I really admire all of those that are involved. But I must admit, I'm still irked by Mann using 1/24 shutters, especially when he uses the technique indoors where light can be controlled.
 
otter1 said:
Press releases are always touting when films are shot on digital. But are they?

Kodak says that Benjamin Button was shot on Kodak film...
http://motion.kodak.com/motion/uploadedFiles/K498_EXCEL_lo.pdf

Much of Apocalypto was also shot on film...

Is this part of a conspiracy to make the general public think that Digital is just as good as film.

Hmmm.
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Perhaps it was finished then printed to Kodak film? Just a guess, but I could be wrong.

Especially confusing since along with the already mentioned Kung Fu Panda, there is also WALL-E and Bolt on the list, all CG films. So my guess is some of these were either shot on film or simply outputted to film.:huh:
 
BryantStanton said:
Perhaps it was finished then printed to Kodak film? Just a guess, but I could be wrong.

Especially confusing since along with the already mentioned Kung Fu Panda, there is also WALL-E and Bolt on the list, all CG films. So my guess is some of these were either shot on film or simply outputted to film.:huh:
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There was some high speed footage shot of film. Other than that, it was all Viper Filmstream.
 
This is what the D.P. said about what was shot on film.


"Was the entire movie shot with the Viper?"

"When we needed to shoot at high speed, such as a war sequence, we shot on film. We went to the Caribbean, and to be nimble on our feet we shot film."

www.studiodaily.com/filmandvideo/currentissue/7847.html

I would be willing to bet, that there were more exterior scenes shot on film.

Also why would they shoot film for the high speed shots? Doesn't the Viper have a 10,000fps frame rate? Was he talking about speed ramping? I know film cameras definately do THAT better.

My friends that have worked with the Viper, think its " ok" to work with. Fantastic capabilities but not like other movie cameras, in regards to follow focus, and lens focus marks etc. Bit of a learning curve.
 
Just saw this trailer again in the theater while waiting for Angels and Demons to start.

I found that the look was much more film-like than the clean, video-like image of the online version I saw a few months back.
 
i watched the trailer in Angels and Demons as well. If I'm not mistaken, they ether shot it all at super high frame rates or... choke... 30fps???

prove me wrong, but it was too crisp, it didn't have the filmic blur of 24fps.

please prove me wrong.
 
Josiah Cooper said:
i watched the trailer in Angels and Demons as well. If I'm not mistaken, they ether shot it all at super high frame rates or... choke... 30fps???

prove me wrong, but it was too crisp, it didn't have the filmic blur of 24fps.

please prove me wrong.
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I was about to post the same query, pretty sure it's 30fps from the trailer.
 
On second thought, I actually liked the look. Pretty damn fitting in a manner of perspective, the people in the 1930's would've been in their era, considered themselves living in a modern society.
 
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