Other: Pros and Cons ONLY on the BMC?

JoeJITSU

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I got to page 60 of the Main BMC thread then gave up, I found some Pros and Cons there but would like to have its own thread to get down to the Nitty Gritty.
Give me the Facts, Pros and cons of this camera.
 
It's only my opinion, but I'll try:


PROS:
2.5K raw!
Color grading software included
13 stops of Dynamic range
Small form factor
Shoots in Pro Res, too
Canon EF mount
Reputable company
Thunderbolt
$3,000!
did I mention 2.5K raw?

CONS:
Ports on the left side
Sensor smaller than M43
Low light ability might suffer
Canon EF mount
Internal battery
No HDMI
I don't own one right now


This is the Scarlet that never was, the digital cinema camera that many have been clamoring for, but was never delivered.
 
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I've ordered mine and in anticipation I opened up a comp in AE and set the project size to 2432 x 1366 and scaled up some 1080 footage 127%. THen I dropped that comp into a normal 1080 comp and got all giddy when I saw how much 'wiggle' room there actualy is to re-frame, pan/scan or of course stabilise without sacrificing quality. So:

PRO
reframing / stabilisation options
LARGER DOF for equivalent FOV - Its time to kick this shallow DOF BS to the curb!!
RESEOLVE 9!!! Seriously I know its been mentioned but that's HUGE. So glad I didnt buy it already ;-)

CONS
No HDMI - for some like me with a DP6 thats a shame, but not a deal breaker.
HFS+ - PC only users need to buy Mediafour MacDrive for $50 to format and use the SSD's

UNKNOWNS
IS - will the camera power Image stabilisation equipped lenses...so this will either be a CON or a PRO but I havent heard which as yet.
 
The pros and cons are personal preference nothung else. There are information threads already here and an entire website dedicated to the specs. Make a judgement on the specs for yourself and what works for you.

Example: I don't see any cons, just a different camera.
 
really cons of this camera is no m43 mount ....
hdmi is not for professional use ...
its PC friendly because of DNxhd codec...
free davinci resolve 9 for 50$ Macdrive its a fair trade...
about low light i dont think its going to be much worse than 5d2 because what i seen from RAW stills at 1600iso they are
noisy too ...but for video canon h264 codec works like noise reduction because it kills fine details...
and for a same FOV 5d2 need 4x more light ...
i dont expect 60p because hardware is not fast enough...
 
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lets talk about usable shallow DOF ...not just extreme DOF witch is now so trendy ...
movies are usually made on s35 film at 3.5-4f what is about 2.8f on BDM OR 5.6-6f on vistavision ...
so if u make low budget Indy movie can u afford to lose two stops of light ...
on 1.4f u can get very shallow DOF....
 
My biggest concerns are the lack of 60p (even though I'm never expecting this for RAW, maybe prores might have enough gusto down the road...*crosses fingers*), no built in ND filters (annoyance, but not the end of the world), and last but not least, shutter roll (I'm used to filming on a DSLR, so honestly that won't change). Other than that, this covers everything else.
 
PROs:
- It's awesome

CONS:
- I just laid out more cash than I ever have in my life on a set of Zeiss CP.2s and a PIX240... and I'm not sure how useful either of those will be with this:

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Con
I don't have $3000 to drop on this camera anytime soon.

Pro
With it being only $3000, I can probably rent one for the same prices as a 5DmkIII when I need to shoot a "film." Then continue to use my DSLR for all other less intensive shooting. As well as stills.

:)

Sounds like a win win.
 
Can anyone confirm the black spot issue on brightness like RED had when they first came out. I know someone did mention this, but I would like someone to confirm. Thanks
 
JoeJITSU said:
Can anyone confirm the black spot issue on brightness like RED had when they first came out. I know someone did mention this, but I would like someone to confirm. Thanks
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Nobody can "confirm" anything until the actual product is shipping!

Yes John Brawley saw it in some of his shots, and yes he said that the company was aware of it and was working on it, and I think he said something on the order of that it's to be expected on a prototype at this stage. So don't worry about anything like that until there's an actual finished product in an end user's hands, and at that point we'll check to see how it performs.
 
JoeJITSU said:
Can anyone confirm the black spot issue on brightness like RED had when they first came out. I know someone did mention this, but I would like someone to confirm. Thanks
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I had a RED ONE back when this happened and honestly it wasn't that big of a deal. It only happened in the sun and since the sun was clipped it was easy to fix in post, super easy actually. I had to do it 4 or 5 times and it literally took seconds to fix.
 
Barry_Green said:
Nobody can "confirm" anything until the actual product is shipping!

Yes John Brawley saw it in some of his shots, and yes he said that the company was aware of it and was working on it, and I think he said something on the order of that it's to be expected on a prototype at this stage. So don't worry about anything like that until there's an actual finished product in an end user's hands, and at that point we'll check to see how it performs.
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Thank you Barry!! :)
 
Anybody happy about having a headphone jack or 2 balanced audio ins?

How fast we forget about all the DSLR short comings.
 
CONS:

- Inbetween size sensor / EF mount:

Bigger than S16, but smaller than M43, APS-C or S35. This will imit your choices when it comes to wide angle glass. Yes, there are zooms like the Tonika 11-16, but there are a few drawbacks. First it's only f2.8, so you may have trouble matching the DOF of S35 (forget about vistavision / 5D razor thin DOF). We really need a few very fast wides in the 11mm - 17mm range @ f1.2 or f1.4. Then there are all of the usual still photo vs motion picture lens mechanical, optical and ergonomic issues, unless you buy a modified version like Duclos makes. Still lenses are not perfect for movie work, but you can get the job done if you really want to. I agree that the M43 mount would be best. It may as well be a universal mount.

- Rolling shutter:
No one really knows how bad it is. Better then a DSLR? Same as the RED ONE? If you are shooting a drama or executing a more classic shooting style you're probably ok. If you are shooting a handheld action movie that looks like the camera was mounted on a paintmixer you're going to be in trouble. You may also be in trouble shooting at certain angles out of a helicopter, but how often do any of us really do that?

To me those are the only real issues.

Ergonomics? Far from perfect, but for $3000, who really gives a damn? I'll make it work.
No HMI port? Not really a problem.
Built in battery? Use an external. Yeah, it's going to be an ergonomic mess, but it will work and that is all that counts.
Mac formated drives? So?

I could go on, but for me there are no real dealbreakers, unless the rolling shutter makes the camera unuseable for normal work (which I doubt is the case). It's a $3000 RAW camera, not an Alexa. Make it work, make your first film and then buy yourself a big rig. 10 years from now you'll be bragging about how you shot the project that made your career, with a jerry rigged BMCC that looked like a Rube Goldberg contraption.
 
The only con for me is there's currently no way of mounting Micro 4/3 lenses on it. I can deal with everything else about the camera, but I need to be able to use my Voigtlander 25mm f/0.95, SLR Magic 12mm f/1.6 and Canon FD 50mm f/1.4 lenses on it. With those lenses I can get very shallow depth of field on my GH2, so this should be no problem on the BMCC.

The main pros for me are:
  1. 2.5K RAW 12-bit
  2. 13 stops dynamic range
  3. on-board ProRes recording
 
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