promo of a painter

stefanhuberfilms

stefanhuberfilms

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Hi FSers!

We shot this in September for a local painter from Innsbruck...

This film was made in collaboration with a local goldsmith. The shoot happened in the smiths showroom, so we decided to showcase his jewelry a bit as well.
We shot this piece using a mix of different resolutions (4K, 2K, HD) and frame rates (25 to 200fps) to tell the story.

gear used:
FS700 + Odyssey7Q (everything Realtime and Slowmotion)
Canon 7D (Timelapse)
a bunch of nikon glass

the ending turned out a bit cheesy, so would love to get some feedback in "how to pull the cheese out"!
the movement of the actors is a bit unnatural, maybe the dolly-back-shot a bit on the wide side...?

https://vimeo.com/109054569

let me know what you think, any feedback is appreciated

cheers!
 
stefanhuberfilms said:
the ending turned out a bit cheesy, so would love to get some feedback in "how to pull the cheese out"!
the movement of the actors is a bit unnatural, maybe the dolly-back-shot a bit on the wide side...?

https://vimeo.com/109054569

let me know what you think, any feedback is appreciated

cheers!
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Im not good at icing feedback into sweet layers, so ill be direct.

Bad acting right there.

My wife loves alot of TV shows while i hate them guts out because of bad acting and unattural human behaviour. So personal flavour i guess.

Try cutting out as many frames as possible of the part where they walk awkwardly backwards as its quite unnatural motion, and try to substitute the fake smile with something abit less commercial before showing the hand shake.

When they are walking backwards and the gold smith (?) in black shirt turns and looks at the painters adams apple. Very weird.

1:26 when goldsmith touches the wall looks so genuine! Love it!

Try and cut out the last 3 clips actually. Or try to do the handshake after the gold smith touches that wall.
 
hey martin! no need to ice feedback!

Try cutting out as many frames as possible of the part where they walk awkwardly backwards as its quite unnatural motion, and try to substitute the fake smile with something abit less commercial before showing the hand shake.
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first off, the client is happy with it and the film already went online on his website, so i won't change the edit anymore, but still good to get feedback to think about and improve future work - trying not to make the same mistakes again.

When they are walking backwards and the gold smith (?) in black shirt turns and looks at the painters adams apple. Very weird.
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lol, that's the first time i see that the goldsmith's view is to low. weird indeed, should have cut it before.

1:26 when goldsmith touches the wall looks so genuine! Love it!
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i interpret this as pure sarcasm!? cheesy cheese!

thanks for your thoughts!
 
stefanhuberfilms said:
i interpret this as pure sarcasm!? cheesy cheese!

thanks for your thoughts!
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No that was honest. Allthough we all view everything differently so each his own opinions.

I think he really looks interested in the surface feel of the wall. I have the same look while touching surfaces that intrigue me :cool:
 
Hi Stefan,

EDIT: said all this without seeing that you wil not be editng it again. Sorry!

I really like your work. The first couple establishing shots of the city are really nicely graded. And while I'm not a huge fan of the driving shots, the slowmotion of him grabbing his bucket, and walking in is really effective! I also love the shots of the tarp being laid down and his innitial work with the infection and plaster.

With that said, here is my feedback on what I feel could be stronger. I agree that the walking back is not natural. I'd do without it. Perhaps you can get back in there and just get a shot of them starin at the wall, also shot from behind, with subtle nods of approvement, with a subtle movement back on a slider widening the shot. The time laps I think is a bit too tight. Would you agree with that? I'd put less of it. In my opinion the pace of the fast moving time lapse doesn't always fit with the tone of the audio track you're using. The audio is very dramatic and in comparison the time lapse feels comical. Am I off base with that? Also, some of the audio of the slow motion gesture of him applying the plaster feels a bit too contrived in my opinion. I'd try without it. The shot of the man smiling at the end is not too bad. I think it's still usable, despite it feeling a bit forced.

I get the impression that the lighting in that space may have been a bit too hard. In retrospect, would you have preferred a softer light? Perhaps less symmetrical also? I'm not sure, but it feels a bit harsh and over exposed at points. Does this make sense at all? Feel free to disagree.

I think overall it's a good piece of advertisement. It just sounds a bit overwhelming when you just nit-pick all the potential flaws all at once like I did in the above paragraphs. But overall, good stuff!!
-All the best, Rafael
 
hi rafael!

no need to say sorry. i want to improve my skills. i had a time in the past few years of my film-making career where i simply did not accept critique - now i know that i must accept it and try to learn from it rather than not caring about it. and to be honest, i still sometimes find it hard to accept critique, as we all do, i imagine.

thanks for your input. yes some of the shots were a bit too bright, and slightly overexposed. i really think that sometimes i need to diffuse even my 1k flolights. the lights are great but still not soft enough to point it directly at an actor at times. btw, what's a good diffusion for kino-type lights?

i agree on the symmetrical light not beeing ideal. but as the timelaspe cam was rolling while we captured all the "standard-fps" shots, it wasn't possible to move the lights in that timeframe. in the last few takes we repositioned the lights according to the shot.

thanks again for your feedback, glad some parts of it were effective!
 
Yeah, criticism can be hard, specially over the forum where we don't have the priviledge of facial expressions and tonality to properly contextualize what we're saying. But also, it's just people's opinions. You take what you feel is valuable and the rest is history. ;)

In terms of diffusion, I think other members might be better able to help. But in a bind, I've had great success with simply hanging a few layers of wax paper (does this name translate to where you are?) in front of the light (off of the barn doors perhaps?). It really diffuses it well enough for these types of applications....just not very professional. Some times even kinos need softening. Otherwise, simply bouncing it off of a reflector or wall/ceiling can help too.

But keep up the good work. I sometimes look to your work for tips too, so that should put things in perspective.
 
we call it baking-paper :), i read about that as well. it's just a piece of frosted paper in the end - wrap the packaging in gaffer and write $30 on it, should look professional enough - lol!
 
I really like two first shots. Especially second one!

Good to hear that everything was accepted by your client. Personally, for me one thing that was sticking out was pretty bland grading. Especially because this was about a "paint & design" business, I would be expecting a little bit more pop.

Anyway, keep up good work!
 
Thanks alohype, you find the grade rather flat? I thought more saturation would have made it really unnatural. Unfortunately the shop we were shooting in was not that colorful as well, so this might be a reason.
 
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