Prolycht Orion 675 FS full spectrum RGBACL color spotlight

[ahalpert]

A write-up of Mitch's new Orion 675 is up on newsshooter. Very impressive design, specs, and price

The Orion 675 FS utilizes a 6-color LED Hyperlight Color engine mixing Red, Green, Blue, Amber, Cyan and Lime to create a wider color gamut. Prolycht claims that this RGBACL technology used in the Orion 675 FS gives it the ability to outperform rival RGBWW based spotlights...

Prolycht claims that the Orion 675 FS is significantly brighter than a 1200W HMI fixture. In fact, they go as far as to claim that it is currently the most powerful fully color-tunable spotlight in the world. That isn’t necessarily a big claim to make as there aren’t actually that many high-powered fully color-tunable spotlights on the market.

Prolychyt goes on to claim that at 3200K the Orion 675 FS is equal in output to a classic 5000W tungsten fixture. They also state that compared to LED spotlights, the Orion 675 FS is brighter than a 600W daylight-only light and is three times brighter than any other manufacturer’s RGBACL spotlight.

So just how much output does it have and how does that compare to other high-power spotlights on the market? Well, below you can see. I have included daylight only and Bi-color fixtures that people are familiar with so you have a good reference.

5600K 55° Reflector @1m /3.3′

	OUTPUT
Prolycht Orion 675 FS	91,530 lx**
ARRI Orbiter (60° Optic)	18,800 lx*
Aputure LS 600x Pro	68,400 lx
Aputure LS 600d Pro	111,000 lx*
Nanlite Forza 720	91,800 lx**
Nanlite Forza 720B	84,460 lx**

* Independently tested

** Not tested (claimed output)

The figures suggest that the Prolycht Orion 675 FS has around the same amount of output as a Nanlite Forza 720 when used at 5600K, and around 20,000 lx less than a Aputure LS 600d Pro. What you clearly need to remember is that those are daylight-only fixtures. If you look at a Bi-color fixture like the Aputure LS 600x Pro, the Prolycht Orion 675 FS has around 23,000 lx more output (claimed), and about the same amount as the claimed output of the Nanlite Forza 720B, although that light draws 125W more. If you compare the Orion 675 FS it has a whopping 79% more output than the ARRI Orbiter...

The Orion 675 FS basic kit will have a list price of just $3495 US plus local taxes, however until June 1, 2022 users will be able to pre-order the light for just $2795 US from authorized Prolycht dealers in USA and Canada, with similar offers available in Europe and the UK.

The Orion 675 FS will also be sold in a set with a rolling hard case and will be similarly discounted to $3095 US for the promotional period.

https://www.newsshooter.com/2022/04...pectrum-rgbacl-color-spotlight/#disqus_thread

 

[Grug]

Looks like a great fixture, and at that price it's hard to nitpick anything much.

I'm a little concerned by the trend we're seeing in the latest high-output COBs to narrow down the open-faced beam angle. 66 degrees in the Aputure 1200 and now 80 degrees in the 675FS. While 80 degrees certainly isn't bad, it's the non-spilling 100-120 degree beams we've had in most COBs to-date that have made them SO incredibly versatile for me - because you can bounce them from positions physuically closer to your bounce source (fabric, wall or ceiling) and still get a really wide spread with a really small footprint, whilst the rim around the COB prevents spill from becoming a problem.

This has been a huge time-saver for me, and is fantastic for keeping lighting footprints small (making it easier to get wider shots in tighter locations. It's a real boon of COB tech, so I hope manufacturers take note of that, and keep their open-faced beam angles as wide as possible.

The integrated ballast is both a blessing and a curse, a blessing because it's SO much quicker to setup and pack down, with fewer cables to keep track of; and a curse because now the head is too heavy to boom easily, and you don't have controls down near the base of the stand (a feature I've come to really appreciate on current COBs). That said, if you embrace a wireless control setup on-set (and they're becoming a lot more common nowadays) that shouldn't be much of an issue. But certainly the head is heavy enough (at just under 10kg), that you don't want to be bringing it up and down on the stand a lot just to adjust intensity or colour by a smidge.

The double-sided lock-offs on the yoke are definitely not my favourite though. With COBs, you're so often using them with modifiers attached, that adjusting the tilt is something you always want to do with one hand on the light and one on the lock-off. Having to wrangle two lock-offs while not letting the fixture swing down from the weight of the modifier, is a bit of a delicate art.

As someone who's been considering putting in an order for a pair of Nanlite 720Bs recently, I now need to do some serious pondering about whether a pair of these would be more useful.

 

[d shay]

Dual lock-offs can be a pain in the butt, but on some dual lock fixtures (p600c) one lock is strong enough to hold. Hopefully the Orion 675 FS lock-offs are just as good. They are claiming 46,940 lux at 3m with the Fresnel at 15 degrees 5600k. That is Evoke 1200 territory. The 600d Fresnel at 15 degrees comes in at 30,000 lux. Here's the specifications from Prolycht's home page. https://www.prolycht.com/orion675fs/index.aspx

 

[ahalpert]

I also sort of feel like if the colors are really as good as they're cracked up to be, then everything else is kind of moot (until competing light fixtures can match color quality at which point we can nitpick).

I mean, I'm not sure any LED can render skin tones the way tungsten can. It's a massive drawback of otherwise amazing technology.

I have no idea if this new light closes that gap but it seems like that's their primary goal

 

[morgan_moore]

I have a top secret way of getting those deep reds and oranges accurate. Cost $150. https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/...TRX6G9KK5WBC30DFEZG/2Q6A1745.JPG?format=1500w

 

[d shay]

Try the Arri 300 fresnel with a Blackmagic camera and watch grays go purple and blacks go a rusty brown. LEDS do us the courtesy of cutting out the IR/UV part of the spectrum. There is nothing magical about Tungsten light that gives it an edge over LEDS. In fact the red part of the spectrum is easily reproduced. Manufacturers have problems in the blue wavelengths 400-480nm, mostly because they use a single 450nm blue emitter to produce that part of the spectrum. This leads to a huge spike in the spectrum. This could be solved with another blue emitter(420nm) added to rgbacl leds. But that would add more cost

 

[chris_f]

Grug, that is some great input. I am in the same boat as you. I have been looking at the Forza 720b to use in my existing softboxes and the wide beam angle is what appeals to me on that one. Even the Aputure 600d is slightly narrower, 105 deg vs. 120.

For precise hard light work I am still using my Dedolights and have a DLED-10 on its way to use for Daylight projections with the DP400. The Dedo projector system is just so clean and nice to work with. Inky blacks, no visible CA on camera. So for these other mono lights it’s all about bouncing and softboxes for me.

Having said all of that, 80 degrees might be just enough? My Gemini 2x1 is only about 90 degrees and compared to my 120degree spread P600C it’s not too bad with smaller spaces. Very curious for someone to measure how well the 675FS fills a softbox… fingers crossed.

 

[LennyLevy]

Morgan, $150? I couldn't give away an Arri Fresnel 1K on craigslist for $75.

 

[Run&Gun]

I've been out of town working the last few days and just saw this after I got up late this morning. Just texted my dealer a little while ago and pre-ordered at the discounted price.

 

[chris_f]

Just read some more specs. The chip is only 4cm diameter! That’s a massive achievement and should make it suitable for optical accessories + hard shadows… very interesting…

Edit: Looks like Dedolight is now adapting the DP400 projector to the FS300.

Mitch Gross - if there are plans to get the 675FS to work with the Dedo Projector System in a similar way in the future, I will preorder one.

 

[rob norton]

For precise hard light work I am still using my Dedolights and have a DLED-10 on its way to use for Daylight projections with the DP400. The Dedo projector system is just so clean and nice to work with. Inky blacks, no visible CA on camera. So for these other mono lights it’s all about bouncing and softboxes for me.

I'm not convinced this light even exists, you'll have to show us pictures!

 

[chris_f]

I'm not convinced this light even exists, you'll have to show us pictures!

The Aussie dollar spiked to about 60 pence to the dollar, so I picked one up from CVP in the UK. Worked out to under AU$3500 + import taxes (they always sting)

Unfortunately they stuffed up the order and shipped only the ballast - the head itself should arrive this week.

Keen to get my hands on a Sekonic C800 so I can share some test results with this light paired with the projector.

 

[rob norton]

Nice one, you are certainly down for the (ultimate beam quality) cause. Did you go with the daylight only version? You'll have to let us know how it is, I'm sure you'll love it.

 

[chris_f]

rob norton I went for the daylight only version. I already have 2x DLH650 and 2x DLH436 for tungsten balanced shoots. I felt the Daylight only version made more sense because in a practical sense it is nearly double the brightness of those tungsten units (about 50% brighter with matched beam angles)… the Bi-color version is about the same brightness as the DLH650 when you match beam angles so less appealing for me.

These Tungsten Dedos are actually just as bright or brighter than LED Fresnel lights when spotted up. The DLH436 is approaching 15,000 lux at 3m distance - 400watt (at 36v) power draw.

I am actually really excited about the direction Dedolight and Prolycht are going with this collaboration - I’m invested quite heavily in the DP400 projection attachments and various lenses, so the potential to hook that up to a super bright RGBACL light in the future is awesome.

 

[rob norton]

rob nortonI am actually really excited about the direction Dedolight and Prolycht are going with this collaboration - I’m invested quite heavily in the DP400 projection attachments and various lenses, so the potential to hook that up to a super bright RGBACL light in the future is awesome.

Agreed, the 675 FS looks awesome - pretty much the realistic ceiling of what you want to be setting up by yourself as an owner/op without being too cumbersome. I'm quickly getting more excited about it.

 

[ahalpert]

Newsshooter has a new write-up on the modifiers Dedolight is adapting for the Orion

https://www.newsshooter.com/2022/04/...iers-nab-2022/

And on that page is an interview with Mitch at NAB:

 

[Jim Feeley]

Agreed, the 675 FS looks awesome - pretty much the realistic ceiling of what you want to be setting up by yourself as an owner/op without being too cumbersome. I'm quickly getting more excited about it.

Ya, that's where I'm at... Beyond that, I'll hire a gaffer. <checking the piggy bank>

 

[chris_f]

The interview with Mitch has sold me - just placed a pre-order knowing that in the future optical accessories will be available from Dedolight. This is so great to see

 

[morgan_moore]

Morgan, $150? I couldn't give away an Arri Fresnel 1K on craigslist for $75.

sorry for thread jack.
maybe 1k is dangerous and hot and will pop the mains where a 300 can be placed simply for a bit of yellow wash or even as a practical.

I literally had a job where a 300tung (with the ap600 et al) was on the list .. my first job since i bought it... clearly a fashion with the 30 yo DOP crowd to have a golden baclight.

my 150 dedos also get good play wherara everything else is LED even if I have some bigger tung buried in the attic.

 

[rob norton]

https://www.newsshooter.com/2022/04...-rgbww-full-color-point-source-light-fixture/

Comments going bananas - RGBWW vs. RGBACL