ProAim, CineCity, CamTree, Came, FilmCity - Scam Company Selling Junk - Video Proof

Camtree, Scamtree, ProAim, ProLame, Came, Cinecity, SinCity, (insert your shell company name here) etc, they all appear to be the same company based in the exact same location in India. I bought one of their matte boxes based upon their ad which they confirmed was compatible with my camera at the time.

When their junk arrived, the product was horrible. To hide all the blemishes on the 15mm aluminum rods, they heavily sandblast them to the point it is quite frosted. This makes it harder to slide and for mounts to slide on it. Plus the rail blocks were not coaxial, so when you try to slide a mount, as it travels, it ends up binding.

The swing away system relies upon a hard steel pin indexing down into a soft aluminum receiver hole. Yeah, like that will last. Not only was the hole too large, the tolerances were sloppier than a pig in a mudpen, allowing huge amounts of play. Most of the anodized aluminum parts had cosmetic dings which means sloppy parts handling during manufacture. The documentation was almost non-existent with photcopier prints.

Best of all, when one tried to slide the matte box on the rails to the fixed camera lens, one had to flex down on the rails to get the stages under the mic. When one rotates the stages, it gouges the fixed mic. So in other words, what they advertise as compatible with a specific camera, it doesn't work at all.

I emailed them and they asked for photos, which tells me they must not have even bothered to rig test it before they engaged in fraudulent advertising and misrepresentation as an inducement to sell their junk as compatible. So I had to have the matte box shipped back from a foreign country to take pics. One they saw the pics, they said once i show proof of return shipment, they will refund half via Paypal, and upon receipt, pay back the balance plus shipping.

I sent them the return shipment receipt, then they started to ignore me. Finally they said they had no money in their Paypal account! I have the email to prove it. What kind of company claims such things?!After more excuses than the IRS over losing emails, they sent back only half, no shipping reimbursement and said that was all they were willing to do. Scammed me out of over $500 USD.

I ended up getting a Chrosziel. Night and day difference on quality, and if I bend a tiny obscure threaded rod or weird mounting plate, each specific part I have been able to get instantly from Century Optics, their North American distributor who is always at NAB and accountable with great service, documentation and support.

ProAim and (insert your India based shell company names here) companies are fraudulent, they are dishonest scammers who copy others designs, and their products are total junk.

Below is a video where the victim demonstrates more or less what my experiences were with this scam company. Just look how he visually details their garbage, it's an EPIC expose'.

You've been warned!


Other than that, I don't have much of an opinion about them or their products either way, lol.
 
You bought a $1000 matte box ... which of their models is that expensive?

Sorry it didn't work out. I just bought a $110 Cinecity rig, which fully met my expectations (at that price) and arrived from India in less than a week. Satisfied customer.
 
Sheesh, man - Chrosziels are about $1600. Indian gear is for people who can't afford the "real" stuff.

I bought a cinecity matte box for $300... about 3 years ago. Bought some cheap stuff to see what the DSLR craze was all about. It's still my only matte box. Nowadays the same model goes for about $200.

The only rail system alignment problems I've had were with Jag35 gear. But on the cheap end, it's all hit & miss. You want fast returns and english speaking support, go with Red Rock, Cool Lights, etc. If you're getting started and just need some kind of rig, it's India or China/Taiwan - and it's a crap shoot. (Fotga sure is kicking some ass in the dirt cheap sector...)

There's a lot of Asian and Indian photo gear on Amazon these days... check there first if you're leery of eBay.
 
On the one hand, I hear you. On the other, what did you expect? A bit of research before you purchased would have turned up these issues. You have learnt a valuable lesson in the realm of unrestricted international free trade. Buyer beware. My lesson cost me $750 from a scottish scam company on ebay so it's not just asia.
 
On the one hand, I hear you. On the other, what did you expect? A bit of research before you purchased would have turned up these issues. You have learnt a valuable lesson in the realm of unrestricted international free trade. Buyer beware. My lesson cost me $750 from a scottish scam company on ebay so it's not just asia.

By your own admission "unrestricted international free trade" has precious little do with this. The old maxims are usually true- "buyer beware"... "You get (often) what you pay for" etc... Regardless of geographic location.

It's a very (very) safe assumption that one can get scammed (if that's even the best description of what happened here) easily enough in ones own country, much less within the commonwealth as was your experience.

All this market competition is a beautiful thing.

Enjoy it,while there is any to be had.

To the OP, sorry for your experience.

Thanks for the heads up.
 
Probably the worst thing to happen as a result of all of these blindingly cheap knockoffs is that it has created a generation of end users who express frustration and even anger at companies who charge more to produce a quality product, maintain good customer service etc. In some instances, innovation is being suppressed by the race to the bottom. There's no real point in going through the many expensive steps it takes to become a manufacturer if your client base would rather wait for the half-assed knockoff.

Not all quality gear costs an arm and a leg, and some inexpensive gear can get the job done. But there's a lot of middle ground there.
 
+1 to Charles's point.

Buy once, cry once - That's the philosophy that set me straight on purchasing camera and lighting gear and accessories. Virtually every piece of cheap knockoff gear I've bought has failed within 6-12 months, which makes them much more expensive in the long run. You can bemoan the cost, but when something lasts you 10-20 years, it's a pretty cheap and sound investment.
 
The video reviewer doesn't know what the knobs on the mattebox are for... Which IS a problem because it shows that he owns too much quasi-pro gear for his inexperienced self. He's complaining about the quality of the gear but is oblivious to lack of tech education on his part. Incidentally if he spent the same amount of time on education as he's spending on search for cheap gear he would understand what to look for in real pro gear and thus wouldn't spend major $$ on junk.
 
I rechecked his video....what knobs are you referring to? The top flag nut knobs on each side of the flag?

It was the tray lock knobs.

He had the cheap crap part right, but I can tell a lot of the problems he was having was also just because he was figuring out things on his own and was never taught anything by anybody with good versions of the gear.

I also laughed a little when he implied that good matte boxes always have height adjustment, and bad ones do not. Oh well. I think telling him about the LW15 standard would prob be ignored.

That said, Charles is spot on. Cheap crap mainly just brings us all down in one way or the other. Oconnor getting into the camera accessory market 4 years ago, and having to sub in plastic parts over the years is a good example of this, I think.

I find it hilarious that Redrock is now considered expensive/good gear, when technically they were probably the first to the cheap starting line.
 
. . .I dunno

There are 'knockoffs' and then there are 'knockoffs', I'm often surprised (in a good way) by the quality of some of the Chinese origin stuff. The other side of the coin is whether there is any real reason for anyone anywhere to charge over $100 for a single 15mm iris rod much less a couple thou for a matte box. That said, some of the Indian origin gear I have played with from some of the sources named by the OP were exquisitely bad.
 
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