FS7: Premiere workflow question

[Doug Jensen]

Thanks for the suggestion, but I can't grade from a proxy because it won't look the same and would add an unnecessary step to my workflow. As I said, the stuttery playback is annoying but no big deal. When you're grading, you're basically grading from stills and not moving images anyway.

 

[broughtonfilm]

Thanks for the suggestion, but I can't grade from a proxy because it won't look the same and would add an unnecessary step to my workflow. As I said, the stuttery playback is annoying but no big deal. When you're grading, you're basically grading from stills and not moving images anyway.

It is true for the most part and I grade the same way but certain things require smooth playback because effects of some grades can't be properly monitored as a still image. Any secondary, keying, masking, local corrections may look fantastic and "invisible" in a still image but once the images are moving the correction is very obvious. You won't notice them until you view exported graded footage and often this means several hours of re-rendering. Again, it's all about understanding limitations.

 

[Cary Knoop]

Thanks for the suggestion, but I can't grade from a proxy because it won't look the same and would add an unnecessary step to my workflow. As I said, the stuttery playback is annoying but no big deal. When you're grading, you're basically grading from stills and not moving images anyway.

I am not sure you are familiar with proxy mode in Resolve. It does not require any workflow changes and you can toggle full to reduced resolution by defining two keys.

Out of curiosity you say you grade with full resolution what monitor do you use for grading?

 

[Doug Jensen]

It is true for the most part and I grade the same way but certain things require smooth playback because effects of some grades can't be properly monitored as a still image. Any secondary, keying, masking, local corrections may look fantastic and "invisible" in a still image but once the images are moving the correction is very obvious. You won't notice them until you view exported graded footage and often this means several hours of re-rendering. Again, it's all about understanding limitations.

Yes, what you say is completely true. However, in my own case, I rarely do any masks or windows that need to track. And even if I did, I still stand my my earlier assertion that grading in Resolve is vastly superior to the alternative being discussed in this thread . . . Adobe Premiere. I guess I might be making playback sound worse than it really is in Resolve. I wouldn't want anyone to think that my experience with Resolve on a MaBook Pro is perfect -- but I might have gone too far the other way and made it sound worse than it is. So I'll just say it's not perfect, but it's usable.

 

[Doug Jensen]

I am not sure you are familiar with proxy mode in Resolve. It does not require any workflow changes and you can toggle full to reduced resolution by defining two keys.

Out of curiosity you say you grade with full resolution what monitor do you use for grading?

Okay, I'll give the proxy workflow a spin then next time I start a new project and try to remember to report back my experience. It's never too late to teach an old Doug new tricks.

I use two video monitors simultaneously for grading: A Sony PVM-1710 17" OLED via HD-SDI, and for a second opinion, a 40" consumer Sony Bravia via HDMI. Those are in addition to my Leader LV-5330 waveform monitor and a 24" Apple Cinema Display just for Resolve's scopes. The monitor for Resolve itself is the 15" MacBook Pro.

I also use pretty much the exact same setup with Premiere, except with Premiere I use the second computer monitor for bins and effects panels.

 

[mainstreetprod]

That's interesting Doug- your laptop specs are at or below those of my IMac, but I don't get very smooth playback of 4K in Premiere, and some times it balks badly.

 

[Doug Jensen]

It could be your drives. Are you using Thunderbolt? Are you using quality 7200 rpm drives or SSDs? Run a speedtest and see what kind of numbers you get. I'm willing to bet that is the bottleneck.

 

[mainstreetprod]

It could be your drives. Are you using Thunderbolt? Are you using quality 7200 rpm drives or SSDs? Run a speedtest and see what kind of numbers you get. I'm willing to bet that is the bottleneck.

I'm using a G-RAID Thunderbolt, which is supposed to be up to the task. However, in past projects I have had some of the movie clips on external USB3 drives due to limited space. This time, I'm putting all the best takes on the RAID and storing the other takes on the USB3 drives. So the RAID is doing 100% of the work while editing, the other drives could even be disconnected. I like that anyway since a lightning storm could take out everything otherwise.