Premiere Pro 1.5 or Final Cut

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cloudburststudios

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I was wondering which program I should buy for editing my 24fps project. I've heard that Premiere Pro 1.5 has some problems editing at 24fps, is this true? Is Final Cut a better editing software for 24fps? Which is the cheapest Final Cut software that can edit at 24fps?
 
I have been editing in Premiere Pro 1.5 and now 2.0 all in 24pa, it works great! And I have edited in FCP on a dual G5 Mac. In my experience, my P4 3.0ghz CPU PC w/Premiere Pro was much faster.
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Wonder why Apple switched to P4 CPUS????
 
Not bad, I just did a 2hour feature with CC and effects, that rendered under 2 hours.

Perhaps you are thinking of Vegas? Good Product, but takes a much longer time to render.
 
Rob333 said:
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Wonder why Apple switched to P4 CPUS????
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Probably because the powerpc processor gets too hot to go any faster. I think it's the only computer that must be water cooled. Also the laptops couldn't go any faster due to the same heat limitation
 
:) I didn't say "I wondered". I said"wonder?":)

I know that Tiger masOS on $200.00 worth of PC parts will run faster than any G5 out there.
 
:embarasse Hope I didn't start a PC/MAC Debate!:)lol

Whatever works for you, it's all good:)

I'd use an Atari ST to edit video if I could.
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cloudburststudios said:
I was wondering which program I should buy for editing my 24fps project. I've heard that Premiere Pro 1.5 has some problems editing at 24fps, is this true? Is Final Cut a better editing software for 24fps? Which is the cheapest Final Cut software that can edit at 24fps?
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Final Cut

but why ask us? if you ask the biggest industry professionals which they would pick if they had to settle for one of those apps, it'd be the same.

either way, i edit on powermac, which is also the choice of most industry professionals using a "pro-sumer" home setup. i know you can build an awesome fast PC - that's why i would play games on pc, watch and record TV, whatever. But regardless of how much rad crap a PC has in it, at some point it's owner will be on one of these forums - "OMG my pc crashed, omg I lost my footage." Whereas the Powermac guys might say, yeah, once i had to restart my mac. Didn't lose nothing. I've seen it month after month, year after year.

in my personal experience i like pc for it's diversity of apps and multitasking, and that's what i use it for. I like mac for it's dependability and quality applications designed for the needs of artists in the field.

I freelanced for Adobe once, when Premiere Pro 1.5 was struggling to find a third party software to make their nle hd-compatible (there were 3-5 options). I used a $10,000 custom PC furnished by Adobe and the process was torture - editing HD was virtually impossible, and eventually I had to settle for straight cuts and no smooth playback to preview my work. It took me a week to do on that setup what I could have done on my ancient g4 in half a day.
I've heard that since then, premiere has integrated one of the hd plugins, but that experience really turned me off.

On top of that, there were just too many little subtle things in the Premiere interface that were counter-intuitive. I feel i have a fair outlook. I started editing in Premiere for about a year, then tried FCP and found it superior. (I tried it after 2 editing PC's crashed fatally). Later when i had the opportunity to use the new premiere on a flagship PC, I was hopeful, and even open to it becoming my prefference. But it was very dissapointing.

So I go with FCP.
 
AVID is what the big guys would use.

Macs crash too. Believe me.

PCs and Macs have the same hard drives, memory, video cards...only big difference is the OS. Now Macs are basically P4 pc hardware based machines. So to say they never crash is untrue. So a hard drive can't die, memory won't fail because it's inside a Mac case???

A $10,000.00 PC, what was in it?

PPPRo 1.5 can edit HD now on an almost "Standard" PC.
How come it was so hard on that PC?

Also "COMPUTERS" no matter what make; people need to BACKUP! Reguardless.:thumbup:
 
If you are going to start with a system from the ground up I would go with the G5 and final cut pro works without hitches and never have to worry about virus from the net,
i am on my 2nd mac in 5 years and never a problem. upgraded last year from the imac to my power mac G5 and LOVE IT
 
Rob333 said:
Macs crash too. Believe me.
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You're right macs do crash I've seem them crash. All computers crash.

PCs and Macs have the same hard drives, memory, video cards...only big difference is the OS. Now Macs are basically P4 pc hardware based machines. So to say they never crash is untrue. So a hard drive can't die, memory won't fail because it's inside a Mac case???
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When you say BIG difference you are correct . More times than not a computer will crash because of it's OS and not because of a Mechanical failure. I've had hard drives fail but not that often. I've had way more Blue Screens.
 
Rob333 said:
AVID is what the big guys would use.

Macs crash too. Believe me.

PCs and Macs have the same hard drives, memory, video cards...only big difference is the OS. Now Macs are basically P4 pc hardware based machines. So to say they never crash is untrue. So a hard drive can't die, memory won't fail because it's inside a Mac case???

A $10,000.00 PC, what was in it?

PPPRo 1.5 can edit HD now on an almost "Standard" PC.
How come it was so hard on that PC?

Also "COMPUTERS" no matter what make; people need to BACKUP! Reguardless.:thumbup:
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yes, like i said, if they had to choose from only those 2 platforms and apps, i think most would pick mac/fcp....this is my guess based on observation of the gear used in major film schools (though the biggest likely have stand-alone systems available as well), reality tv, field news journalism, and many independent films. ...i am aware the major film studios use stand-alone systems and not home computers. when I find editing jobs advertised by tv or film productions, i always see Avid or FCP needed, never premiere.

my comments were from my personal experience and people's whom i've seen first-hand. I use both PC and mac everyday, and I just use them for different purposes, according to whats best by my own observations. I never rule out gear -- that would only limit myself. I know macs can crash (or at least I know how silly it would be to rule that out) -- though personally in my megre 5 years in the field, I've only seen PC's crash first hand, and not macs. I have a fair amount of experience with both premiere and fcp. i'm not a hardware genius, so maybe it is the mac os that makes things more dependable. Mac's also great for using external devices, as u can plug and play, without chasing down drivers and updates, and having to do so everytime the os updates. this isn't too big of a prob on good pc's any more, but a prob with just one piece of hardware has taken up to couple hours to resolve on PC. I think we all know that we can read all the technical stats and math in the world, but what's most important in our field is practicality and first-hand observation. whatever works best for an individual is the best choice - hopefully everyone does themselves the benefit of trying the competitors products.

the PC was made by BOXX. I don't know all the stats, because the job was such a rush job I got the box and cranked out the project so that Adobe could present an HD edit to Sony, Dell, Open Hd, Intel, Microsoft (Windows), and HP at a meeting. It had 1.7 terra internal storage, a raid array, quad fx graphic card (or something to that effect), and in between 1 and 2 gb ram. it was about 3 feet deep and it's 8 fans sounded like a jet engine. Premiere pro had just come out at the time but to compete with FCP HD they seemed to be scrambling to 3rd parties to invent a plugin to make HD work, and it was just nasty and difficult to use. by the way I was provided my own technician 24/7, so it wasn't just my inexperience. The company providing the plugin was cineform.
I am sure they've fixed all that by now. I heard they bought one of the 3rd parties to incorporate into a future premiere version. All the same, I wasn't happy with little things that seemed counter intuitive to me (in the basic prog, regardless of defintion) - some of the things are preferential, but effect me as an artist on a timeline.

my best advice for the original poster and query would be to try to get hands-on experience on all competitiors in the market you are considering and make a decision from first hand experience. consider what is used in your own circle, so that you can team up easier with the people you want to work with the most. in the film circle here, I only know a few people on pc's - and they do make nice films! however in the local film circle here, Bob Collins (Superman, Miami Vice, etc), Richard Clabaugh (The Prophecy, Children of the Corn, Drive, etc), and Will Stroud (System on Fuel TV, Local Exposure Tour, etc) reccomend or use powermacs and FCP. so because this is the local circle here it's smart for me to use similar rigs. but it may be different in your circle, and that should be considered, especially when you're starting out.
 
I agree.:) good post, good info.:)

Btw; do you know why Adobe dropped support for Mac, when they went to Premiere Pro, for Wxp pro from 6.5, which was for both platforms?

btw; yes, PPro is much better now than the old days of 6.5, (which was a dog!) and FCP is now the only option for Mac.
 
you got a lotta good info too, especially for me to absorb as you know a lot more about tech and hardware specs than I do (unfortunately while i research aesthetic trends as an artist, I just barely keep up with the tech). because of our experience we can go back and forth on the pros and cons of this and that and both have great points, lol. they both have pros and cons

but the newbies should just check it all out if possible, so they can one day get sucked into their own mac/pc debates, lol.

i'm also out of the current loop. i'd been in one of those bogged-with-jobs mode b4 jan, where there's no time to keep hip and learn new tricks. but work dropped off for jan and feb, and that's why i'm here, to learn and see what's up now. i've already picked up quite a bit of news from you guys, as well as some advice in other threads on techniques that are new to me (using Premiere and AE, btw, lol)

i'm not hip on the most current Adobe moves. But I hope they'll keep some support for mac. Most of my visual effects are done in FCP, but i do open up Premiere and AE once in awhile to see what other effects are available for some clips, and my current task is playing with the filmstrip exporting in PS. I'm doing all that on my Vaio desktop. I mean, i love adobe PS of course, and AE (though I don't know how to use it- but i like what i've seen it do)

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(the ancient g4 with no dvd player - the BOXX - and the 30" HD monitor i had to return :cry: )
 
:beer: I here ya, I'd love to use Apple "Shake"...someday. Wish apps were still cross platform, like in the beginning.:(

Apple also bought out Emagic Logic Audio, then dropped prduct for PC, so I am topped out in my recording Studio at Logic Audio 5 Platnum. (alternative to protools)

In a perfect world, computers and computer companies would just get along!:)lol

Like I said, FCP is great, Adobe now is great INMO, and Sony Vegas is all good as well. I only had issues with cost and speed working on a Mac. Which now is basically a PC running Unix. Windows xp pro and the new OS: "Vista" are to me equal to Mac OS X. I have no issues. And know how to fix stuff if I did.

I custom build all my systems in my studio, (not "home computers", you'll never find A Dell like toy here) .
I have been a working compuer tech for 16years on top of a musician and filmmaker. I service both PCs and Macs.

Macs are only a third of the computer population; hackers don't bother with viruses for Macs. It isn't that they just can't get them.

I started out on a Mac Plus, in it's day...I thought it was the coolest!:)lol
I still have a Mac SE, an Imac, just for sentamental reasons, Steve Jobs was my hero, in the early days. (Never Bill Gates, that'll never happen!:)lol
steve Jobs appears to be moving Apple on to software and Ipods, these days.
(This has been his plan, for some time now)

I still love Mac X OS, "so flashy":)lol Like Disney land!:)lol

Only issue I ever had with Apple is the cost of the product and you have to buy an entire system if you want to upgrade and speed comparded to a less expensive PC running WXP Pro OS, getting work done. I also like Premiere Pro's newer features in ver. 2.0....etc compared to FCP. My taste.


Like I said Tiger mac OS will run on less expensive PC parts now...
Someday I may have a Mac Os based "system" in my studio working side by side to my Win based systems......Best of both worlds??:happy:
 
interesting fact....

when i used to intern at NFL Films, they used mac based Avid Media Composer for the offline editing, but would switch over to a windows based Avid DS system for all the online and HD edting, so I don't know if that tells ya anything.

If I was starting from scratch, I would probably go with a mac, simply because it is more accepted in the pro community these days. I don't have any problems with a pc. I use Premiere Pro with a dual 3g P4 processors, and it works great for 24pa as well as HDV footage using Cineform Aspect HD. Both I think are capaple systems ( plus the fact they are basically the same design).
 
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