Premiere CS6 blurry text

Donald Ong

Donald Ong

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Hi,

I just got into premiere and have noticed that whenever I render text, it doesn't appear very sharp. It's slightly mushy. However, video files are rendered perfectly. What's causing this?

Render settings are H.264, 1920x1080, target bitrate of 10mbs.

Thanks
 
Donald Ong said:
I just got into premiere and have noticed that whenever I render text, it doesn't appear very sharp. It's slightly mushy. However, video files are rendered perfectly. What's causing this?

Render settings are H.264, 1920x1080, target bitrate of 10mbs.
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Probably interlacing; check your render settings. It'll show up pretty clearly in text as slight jaggies. Also, for HD your bitrate is pretty low, which can lead to artifacting if there's much motion in the frame, especially camera motion.
 
Bruce Watson said:
Probably interlacing; check your render settings. It'll show up pretty clearly in text as slight jaggies. Also, for HD your bitrate is pretty low, which can lead to artifacting if there's much motion in the frame, especially camera motion.
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umm, at the export page, there isn't an option to interlace/blend fields? Sorry, I'm still very new to premiere :) Any help would be appreciated.
The text isn't very blurry, just slightly soft...so I'm not sure...But there are some jaggies when zoomed in

*ps, just noticed, at the project settings page when you first open premiere, Should i have the fields set to No fields/upper fields first/lower fields first? (for progressive footage)
 
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Liam Hall said:
No, it only affects playback in premiere. When you export you will have full rez.

Switch it over to full rez output and check your titles.
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I've switched it to full res playback and am getting the same results.
Full res output? Isn't 1920x1080 full res?
 
Liam Hall said:
No, it only affects playback in premiere. When you export you will have full rez.

Switch it over to full rez output and check your titles.
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Double post? anyway,

I've switched it to full res playback and am getting the same results.
Full res output? Isn't 1920x1080 full res?
 
Things I would try:
1. Increase the bit rate of the rendered clip.
2. Quickly create a new project that will render text. If it renders OK, see what the difference is between the projects.
3. Use VLC to play rendered files.
 
Donald Ong said:
I've tried increasing the bit rate to 20.

Here's what the text looks like
https://vimeo.com/57202967

It isn't terribly soft, but edges aren't as well defined as when I rendered text in Vegas. Is this normal?
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I *guess* it looks soft. Hard to tell by itself with nothing to compare. Have you tried rendering text from a separate project in Premiere?

Rendering lossless and then using a dedicated compression program usually solves issues like this.
 
Jordan_S said:
I *guess* it looks soft. Hard to tell by itself with nothing to compare. Have you tried rendering text from a separate project in Premiere?

Rendering lossless and then using a dedicated compression program usually solves issues like this.
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Yes, it was a separate project.
Full HD, H.264 and bitrate targeted at 20 (VBR 2 pass). Field set to No fields (progressive)

Thing is the text is not too bad, but softer than what I'm used to with Vegas (with vegas, texts generally always look tack sharp regardless of bit rate) . I've read somewhere that titles should be done in AE/PS instead of premiere due to premiere's compression....is there any basis to this claim?
 
Got it working.

There's nothing wrong with the text on my end. (Did you have Vimeo scaling turned on?)
 
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it is soft, sometimes vector art is not aligned to the pixel grid, or it's just the way premiere encodes the vector art. you can try to render to uncompressed and compare, to see if the compression is the problem. if it is, try best possible quality instead of fast encode, if that's a setting, or go to advanced settings and tweak.

you can try to outline the text, with a drop shadow, or bevel and emboss, or different color outline, or backdrop, or glow, ...etc. makes it easier on the compression to appear more crisp.
 
Jim Simon said:
Got it working.

There's nothing wrong with the text on my end. (Did you have Vimeo scaling turned on?)
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Oh d'oh!. Vimeo had set the file to 720. I'll upgrade it to 1080 and see how it goes. (although the 720 one doesn't look far from what I saw on WMV before uploading.)
*edit: Ok, here's the new 1080 file: https://vimeo.com/57202967
password is the same: sampletext

Amr Rahmy said:
it is soft, sometimes vector art is not aligned to the pixel grid, or it's just the way premiere encodes the vector art. you can try to render to uncompressed and compare, to see if the compression is the problem. if it is, try best possible quality instead of fast encode, if that's a setting, or go to advanced settings and tweak.

you can try to outline the text, with a drop shadow, or bevel and emboss, or different color outline, or backdrop, or glow, ...etc. makes it easier on the compression to appear more crisp.
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Now that i see it, in a lot of videos edited in premiere, the text is slightly soft too. Maybe it's just a premiere thing (?). I'm currently away from my editing setup with premiere and will try rendering uncompressed and see how it goes when i get back. (although it would seem totally impractical to render uncompressed for the web). Shadows/glow would definitely give it more apparent sharpness, but isn't suitable for all things either...
 
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