FS5: PP tweaks to give similar "look" to Wide DR

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xocomil

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I shot a quick news piece yesterday with my new FS5, first time using for work. Normally I'd be using my C100.

As others have noted, colors using a slightly tweaked Wide DR profile are much nicer than what i used on the FS5 (PP6). Crash editing to deadline doesn't give me a chance to do anything aside from adjusting blacks, mids and whites, which brought the image to life ... just not as much as I'd like.

Anyone played around with the PP6 profile at all? Seems like a good base.

Aside from the colors, the camera was great to use. Stabilization on the kit lens is great for handheld - way better than my canon 17-55 or 24-105L

Thanks for any advice!
 
xocomil said:
Anyone played around with the PP6 profile at all? Seems like a good base.
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PP6 uses Cine 2 Gamma, which maxes out at 100% instead of 109%. Perhaps this is what you want if your footage has to be broadcast legal, but Cine 3 will give you a tad more range. In terms of color, the Cinema gamut can look a little puny and desaturated without color correction. I would recommend trying either Standard or Still color gamut and see what you think. I don't recall what the Detail setting is on PP6, but dial it down to -7.
 
Has anyone got any really nice standard Pic Profiles to share? In terms of a nice rich but not too over the top colour balance? I've had a fiddle with my settings but I'm not having much luck.
 
If you want the Canon WDR look why not shoot SLog3 and build a LUT in LUTcalc with the Canon WDR gamma and CanonIDT gamut?

IMHO you can build an even better look than that with a little extra effort.
 
Unfortunately the only way to get max dynamic range on Sony cameras are to shoot slog2/3. This captures 14 stops from the sensor. The next down from that would be hypergamma 7/8 (as found on FS7/F5/55) which are 800% dynamic range curves which hold approximately up to 13.5 stops but these HG's are not available on the FS5.

For the FS5 that leaves you with the Cinegammas which only give you around 11-11.5 max stops. This is still pretty decent in terms of range, so you can create a PP using one of the cinegammas as your base.

The differences between the cinegammas can be found here in a PDF I put together as a pocket Guide
http://www.starcentral.ca/forums/Sony PMW.pdf

Note that they all have the same dynamic range. The notable differences are where white clips and where middle grey is placed but this does not mean one curve is capturing more or less dynamic range.

One of my avourite cine gamma is Cine4 because it lifts middle grey making it an excellent low light curve.

If they ever add baking in 3D LUT to the FS5 it would be a great way to use slog and and create a WDR curve all nest and tidy within the camera itself.
 
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Thank you for the info, unfortunately the link isn't working for me.

starcentral said:
Unfortunately the only way to get max dynamic range on Sony cameras are to shoot slog2/3. This captures 14 stops from the sensor. The next down from that would be hypergamma 7/8 (as found on FS7/F5/55) which are 800% dynamic range curves which hold approximately up to 13.5 stops but these HG's are not available on the FS5.

For the FS5 that leaves you with the Cinegammas which only give you around 11-11.5 max stops. This is still pretty decent in terms of range, so you can create a PP using one of the cinegammas as your base.

The differences between the cinegammas can be found here in a PDF I put together as a pocket Guide http://www.starcentral.ca/forums/Sony%20PMW.pdf

Note that they all have the same dynamic range. The notable differences are where white clips and where middle grey is placed but this does not mean one curve is capturing more or less dynamic range.

One of my avourite cine gamma is Cine4 because it lifts middle grey making it an excellent low light curve.

If they ever add baking in 3D LUT to the FS5 it would be a great way to use slog and and create a WDR curve all nest and tidy within the camera itself.
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The closest we've come so far in unscientific, real-world shooting, is using Cinegamma3 with the Pro color space. Bumping saturation up to +2 helps a bit too.

Would love to hear if anyone else has come up with baked in profiles that mimic the Wide DR look. For our run and gun projects, we haven't been able to dive into s-log yet.
 
no one has developed a color profile similar WDR ? Normally a color profile with saturated colors,that does not require color grading
 
In custom mode it's not possible to get the full DR. The closest you will get is using HG7/8 with some matrix tweaks but this will not give you the full range the sensor is capable of. For that you have to shoot slog gamma.

See post #6
 
I did a test in very low light,i set PP stil pp + s-log3 cine 3200..:-) +10 blak +5 color, i test this in extreme iso 20000,and on my monitor looks pretty good in HD.I tried several combinations,but over ISO 6400 are very noisy.it is true that some details are lost, but I have a pretty good picture in HI ISO 20000 ,this without color grading.If someone has experienced a more scientific and can share experience,please... post
 
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