Poor Scorsese
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wow, josey wales. now, that's a film. it makes me thinks of several other films he's in that are simple, dramatically sound, and thoroughly satisfying technically, artistically, and emotionally...like joe kidd, pale rider, the beguiled, all three leone spaghetti westerns, high plains drifter. there's definitely something to the eastwood mystique that so many members of the academy dig, that this "tough guy" can also be an "auteur." whether he is or not is decided at events like the oscars...by people who want oscars.
everybody forgets that scorcese's first few films were art films...films he would not be able to make today in any way, shape, or form. by 1979 he'd spent himself. he still makes films although they seem like gestures born more of anxiety than a real fire in the gut (looks like vision, sounds like vision, but it don't taste like vision.) deniro escaped the art vs. commerce conflict by refusing to judge his material (in other words half the time the movie's he's in suck.) scorcese could never let go the idea he wasn't an artist. it doesn't help when your fellow italian-american's vision is so much more romantic, so much more desperate, so much more larger than life. but coppola knew when to quit and go grow the grapes. i don't know that scorcese will ever know how to retire...so the academy will continue to fret over how and when to honor his films until finally they give him a lifetime achievement award. but that won't happen until someone's brave enough to be the messenger of that news (he didn't look too happy being a presenter last night but maybe that's just me). anyhoo, way back when marty got an early boost in his career from john cassavetes, which he later repaid by ignoring cassavetes and that's all you need to know about where scorcese's priorites are.
and just to stoke another fire, you can't tell me blenchett's imitation hepburn was better than virginia madsen's sideways performance. the latter is actual acting; the former is crock of poop.
wow, josey wales. now, that's a film. it makes me thinks of several other films he's in that are simple, dramatically sound, and thoroughly satisfying technically, artistically, and emotionally...like joe kidd, pale rider, the beguiled, all three leone spaghetti westerns, high plains drifter. there's definitely something to the eastwood mystique that so many members of the academy dig, that this "tough guy" can also be an "auteur." whether he is or not is decided at events like the oscars...by people who want oscars.
everybody forgets that scorcese's first few films were art films...films he would not be able to make today in any way, shape, or form. by 1979 he'd spent himself. he still makes films although they seem like gestures born more of anxiety than a real fire in the gut (looks like vision, sounds like vision, but it don't taste like vision.) deniro escaped the art vs. commerce conflict by refusing to judge his material (in other words half the time the movie's he's in suck.) scorcese could never let go the idea he wasn't an artist. it doesn't help when your fellow italian-american's vision is so much more romantic, so much more desperate, so much more larger than life. but coppola knew when to quit and go grow the grapes. i don't know that scorcese will ever know how to retire...so the academy will continue to fret over how and when to honor his films until finally they give him a lifetime achievement award. but that won't happen until someone's brave enough to be the messenger of that news (he didn't look too happy being a presenter last night but maybe that's just me). anyhoo, way back when marty got an early boost in his career from john cassavetes, which he later repaid by ignoring cassavetes and that's all you need to know about where scorcese's priorites are.
and just to stoke another fire, you can't tell me blenchett's imitation hepburn was better than virginia madsen's sideways performance. the latter is actual acting; the former is crock of poop.
Re: Poor Scorsese
Wow...Don't think I agreed with anything of what you just said. I liked the Aviator, but I thought it suffered because of the writing. I think the underlying story/skeleton was flawed but Scorsese's direction was brilliant.
Clint Eastwood just won two oscars at 75. Scorsese's only 62. If Marty can get the right script and material in his hands he'll knock it out of the park.
Wow...Don't think I agreed with anything of what you just said. I liked the Aviator, but I thought it suffered because of the writing. I think the underlying story/skeleton was flawed but Scorsese's direction was brilliant.
Clint Eastwood just won two oscars at 75. Scorsese's only 62. If Marty can get the right script and material in his hands he'll knock it out of the park.
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i was struck by how varied and far-ranging the work of sydney lumet was. the same guy made serpico AND the wiz. i had several "a-ha" moments when they ran the clips. now here's a director who truly does not consider the craft of directing an act of will. he arranges the elements of his story and then gets the hell out of the way. for today's auteurs this is heresy. your film must announce to the world the presence of a truly unique and gifted ego. that's art, right?
lumet's acceptance speech was quiet and wonderful. he seemed every bit the young boy fascinated and absorbed by the craft of making movies. very inspiring.
i was struck by how varied and far-ranging the work of sydney lumet was. the same guy made serpico AND the wiz. i had several "a-ha" moments when they ran the clips. now here's a director who truly does not consider the craft of directing an act of will. he arranges the elements of his story and then gets the hell out of the way. for today's auteurs this is heresy. your film must announce to the world the presence of a truly unique and gifted ego. that's art, right?
lumet's acceptance speech was quiet and wonderful. he seemed every bit the young boy fascinated and absorbed by the craft of making movies. very inspiring.
Re: Poor Scorsese
eh la,
guess i did come across as a bit angry and stubborn.
anyway, i still hold my ground on most everything i said. i recant about the speeches; a few of them were good, yes.
incidentally, i saw Ray last night and thought it was better than both MDB and Aviator.
just my opinion guys. perhaps i'm emotionally cut-off, but MDB did nothing for me at all.
eh la,
guess i did come across as a bit angry and stubborn.
anyway, i still hold my ground on most everything i said. i recant about the speeches; a few of them were good, yes.
incidentally, i saw Ray last night and thought it was better than both MDB and Aviator.
just my opinion guys. perhaps i'm emotionally cut-off, but MDB did nothing for me at all.
HansK
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[quote author=pookie link=board=Offtopic;num=1109565924;start=30#34 date=02/28/05 at 17:29:29]
Apparently you're new to the Hollywood film industry......[/quote]
Well, yes, I am. So, what are you implying? That I am naive to how the awards work? If so, then I agree. But if it's something else, please tell.
[quote author=pookie link=board=Offtopic;num=1109565924;start=30#34 date=02/28/05 at 17:29:29]
Apparently you're new to the Hollywood film industry......[/quote]
Well, yes, I am. So, what are you implying? That I am naive to how the awards work? If so, then I agree. But if it's something else, please tell.
Thomas_E_SP
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I'd nominate Sarno's second to last post as "best original comment in this thread".
I'd nominate Sarno's second to last post as "best original comment in this thread".
Re: Poor Scorsese
I love planes....love the era...love Scorsese...HATED the Aviator. I was bored stiff and never FELT any emotions during it. No I'm not on antidepressants or vicodin. I really wanted to like it...badly wanted to like it. It looked beautiful, well acted, blah blah but i never bought it. ****. Oh well...next time Martin. Jesus Christ he's got a thousand other movies that are stupendous...he doesn't need to be validated by an Academy to tell me, him or anyone that he's a god of cinema.
Dobro noc.
I love planes....love the era...love Scorsese...HATED the Aviator. I was bored stiff and never FELT any emotions during it. No I'm not on antidepressants or vicodin. I really wanted to like it...badly wanted to like it. It looked beautiful, well acted, blah blah but i never bought it. ****. Oh well...next time Martin. Jesus Christ he's got a thousand other movies that are stupendous...he doesn't need to be validated by an Academy to tell me, him or anyone that he's a god of cinema.
Dobro noc.