Poor Man

For the scene with the two guys talking...

location

I would pick a different location simply from a belief standpoint. When are two guys hanging out in middle class suburbia with an inground swimming pool, when one of them forces scripture on to his friend and the friend pulls out a gun? I don't buy it. They should be in the ghetto or anywhere else, really.

props

That was a huge Bible. It seems more likely someone would carry a pocket New Testament, like a Gideons Bible, more often than a reference Bible. Just a thought. Without knowing some of the background it is impossible to know where they are coming from, and perhaps the larger text fits your story better, I simply don't know enough to say. I would encourage a smaller, more mobile, copy of the Holy Word.

The gun wasn't convincing enough and removes yet another layer of belief. Perhaps you may find a weapons wrangler who is willing to help out. Airsoft guns would be a better choice, but would cost you around $100 and they tend to jam easily. However, if weapons are a large part of your script, I feel it would be worth the investment. Maybe one of your actors would be willing to fit the bill.

I am almost surprised if you are financing this entire project yourself. I occasionally volunteer as a documentary cinematographer on overseas missions trips and I have never had any trouble raising support for my expenses. I would think you would find there are 'wealthy' Christian business owners who would be willing to support your cause. Maybe you could even make some money off the deal? I don't know, but it IS worth considering... However, that isn't much of a possibility if you intend on starting next week.

I think what everyone has been trying to tell you, if I may be so bold to speak for others, is your movie will be much better if you can wait a little longer and assemble more resources. It's simple to explain to actors that you maybe feel a little in over your head and because you believe in the project, you are going to postpone it. They will understand. Honest.

Think of it this way: Okay, summer is over in six weeks, and maybe you could squeeze in a shoot, but you still have months of editing ahead of you. You only get your actors once, and seeing as they are professional SAG actors, you want to leave the best possible impression on them.Word gets around in this business.

If you really care about making the best movie from your script, then wait. I know you will not wait because you are anxious... But, you only get to one chance to make this particular script. If it is your best so far, then you will see the value in waiting. I stick to this principle myself. I imagine many others here do as well. Eventually, you have to make do with the resources at hand, but, waiting has never been a bad thing, in my experience. Years of planning and pre-production will only improve a project, never ruin one.

As always, good luck... and God bless your heart. You've got guts kid.
 
Envision said:
I'm sure you did. At least you can admit it!
I remember catching a couple of episodes like 3-4 years ago. Haven't seen it since. It only comes to mind as I was recently reading about the Wilson brothers new independent film, "The Wendell Baker Story" which played at SXSW film festival in Austin this year. The D.P. of that movie was coincidentally the shooter for the MTV show, as I discovered on the IMDB... (I realized after this plug it wasn't that guy, it was a different guy I met a tradeshow that shot the MTV series... and more recently, he shot the video background plates for, "A Scanner Darkly" using a DVX100a, no less)

The title is certainly provacative and risque' yet I don't recall specifics of the show besides the generally sensual overtones and innuendoes typical of teen melodrama. It was rated TV-14, which isn't any different from other sitcoms. Though, I couldn't name any current sitcoms, so maybe all television is corrupt today? I have no idea. This show was cast appropriately and it worked, for better or for evil.

It merely underscores the fact that even non-actors can put out memorable performances day after day. And, that good casting is critical to the success of a "show." (obviously)
If the actors do not fit the script, then write a script that fits the actors...
 
Thisiswells, WORD on everything you said.

Funny you mention "The Wendell Baker Story". I had the exec producers of this (or their "finders") contact me a couple years ago. It got around that I had rapport with some people of high net worth, and they contacted me to see if I could get the project in front of them. It was currently budgeted at $12MM, but the company they were looking to go with (I THINK it was Franchise Pictures) was only wanting to fund $8MM ... so they were looking for another source that could actually do the full $12MM, only problem was that they had less than 48 hours to do it. I said no thanks, but I'm glad to see it got made anyway. Would have been fun to work with them though ... if I recall correctly, it was going to be Luke's freshman run as director.
 
Ok, this is for everyone but especiall for thisiswells. Ok, that scene with the two guys (me and my friend) was a "test" shot. I has nothing to do with the story. The cocking two times was there because my friend is not an actor and he messed up and we didn't have time to do two takes. My friend was writing the dialogue real quick while I was chatting with you guys. It was something we did and edited in like 10 minutes. It was just so I can see if I can do the whole two angle with one camera deal. That was it. Please don't look at that and think it's my best work because it's not. If I were to shoot that scene in my movie (which has nothing to do with the movie), I would grab that camera and do an OTS shot on both characters. I would get another shot of both of them and then close up shots of the face and maybe of the gun being cocked and pointed and my face reaction as I looked at it. I would put in music to it as well. That was 10 minutes worth of work and like 2 of planning (if that). Don't judge me by that. I told you guys all I did it was if I can pull off the two angle thing. That's it.

As for the waiting thing, I really wish I could wait. But I'm afraid I won't be able to have this nice cast next summer. I can never do it during the school year. But next summer, most of them are out to college. It's just perfect now. I financed most of it but my sister and her husband donated $200 which helped a lot. As much as I want to wait and research more on lighting and everything, I NEED to do this ASAP. I might not get a chance to get the same cast. I don't want to let them down. And trust me, some live like an hour away. They don't want to hear that they are in the film and then be like, uh we're doing it next year. I don't want to spend too much time planning for this movie and mainly because of one reason. My camera is not the DVX. So, if I plan plan plan and plan, it still won't look like real film or atleast like the DVX. When I get my DVX and everything, I will write another script, and until I do, I will have a lot more learned especially since I made this feature. But thanks for the suggestions. I am truly thankful. Thisiswells has always been trying to help me since my first questions on this forum.

Oh yeh, and that gun is an airsoft gun. That is all I use. I bought other ones and they look so fake. I have another one (the P99) that looks like real metal. But, this is the best gear I can get.

Ok, I have a location question. For my movie, I need a Police Station since this is a cop movie. My local station won't let me shoot there because, "If I let you I will have to let everyone." (and like who else is going to ask around her...puleez) and another nearby city still hasn't called back. If I can't get a police station, what should I do? I'm stuck on this one.

I also need a garage type thing that fits like 5-6 cars. This is supposed to be the villain's house. He has these stolen cars in a garage type thing. I can't seem to find anything like that. Do you guys have any suggestions. I've searched everywhere and have called Real Estates. If you guys want to help, help me. But please don't bash on me saying to find out myself and to stop asking stupid questions, because I have been trying on this part.

Thanks for everything! God bless!
 
I've figured out how to do take out the flash from the black bars. Took me like an hour to find out how. I will post it as soon as possible.
 
As far as locations these are things to take care of in pre-production. Also I don't know how you can expect people from the other edges of the country (and world) to help you find locations in your area.

Even so - describing things a bit better would also help, for example: Garage type thing

Garage type thing that's part of a house? One of those garage trailers used to store cars? Can it be in a remote location? How key is it to the story, etc.
 
As far as the 2-guys dialog scene, if all that was was a test to see if you could figure out how to shoot with one camera, then it's fine. It was extremely amateur, but I've definitely seen worse.

But as for waiting, and not wanting to wait... let me tell you something I learned from Brett Sperry, the genius multimillionaire head of Westwood Studios, former videogame empire, creator of the (at the time) fastest-selling videogame franchise in history:

We would be all stressing about trying to make a certain shipment date, and talking about cutting out features or cutting corners to get there, etc. He said "A late game is late only until it ships. A bad game is bad forever."

Think about that.

Before you attempt a feature film, make a short film that wins top awards in two or three festivals. Once you've done that, do another. When you've done those, then you can start thinking about a feature.

Try it before you're ready, and you'll just end up wasting everyone's time and money and end up with a project you'll hide in a closet and never ever show anyone.
 
Well you guys can help me with suggestions on how to find it. Garage I mean just like a normal garage. Like in a location. Like a house garage but with more cars. Like the one used in Tomb Raider 1. where she made her motorcycle fly as she was shooting. It doesn't literally have to be attached to a house. i can just make it seem like it is by cutting in two different locations as they enter a door and appear in the garage. It's pretty critical. Uh, I can probably figure out something else, but then I would have to come up with a whole different part for it and that may affect the story and it may not.
 
Wait no, nevermind. I got it. I can export it to DVD now. Ok, this is how I did it. Please tell me if there is another solution because your might be better. I am using Vegas so I was limited. But what I did was I made the project properties set to NTSC widescreen. So then I cropped the video until you couldn't see anymore black bars and it fit the template widescreen. Then I just exported it as an MPEG 2 as Widescreen, and bam! the only thing is, it's in widescreen 16:9 aspect ratio. I want to make it 2.35:1 which is like really widescreen. I like it this way. It's like Bad Boys II. So if you guys have a different way I can do it in Vegas, please let me know. Thanks!
 
Oh woops. lol! Maybe I can't export it to DVD. Man! I am able to export the video but not the audio. my consumer version of vegas limits me to what I can expot. It lets me export widescreen but with no audio. If I just make it a default DVD file in widescreen it won't be widescreen. it's weird.
 
Questionman17 said:
Ok, that scene with the two guys (me and my friend) was a "test" shot.

Now I'm curious ... which one was you?

Questionman17 said:
I can never do it during the school year. But next summer, most of them are out to college.

I'm confused. You live in a place that has no one else doing what you do (at least at the caliber you're telling us), but yet you have all these SAG actors that are raving about your script. I'm just surprised that actors in your area are SAG, as remote as it sounds. And are these SAG actors the ones that are graduating & going to college next year, or not actually in this film of yours?

Questionman17 said:
Here is the clip. It's really short, but you can see how there is no flash on the black bars. I only need to figure out how to export it like that on DVD. But atleast I got this part done.

Not only is there no flash on the black bars, there are NO black bars at all. You just ended up stretching the video from top to bottom, making everything tall & skinny.

Questionman17 said:
my consumer version of vegas limits me to what I can expot.

This will be a tough one for you, as even though I use Vegas, it's the pro version not the consumer version. I'm not sure if you'll find anyone on here that uses the consumer, but I could be wrong. My suggestion ... read that consumer manual from front to cover, or check on the in-software help/guides. OR purchase the pro version & then I could give you some pointers on getting more of the look you're going for. However, doesn't sound like that'll happen, as it would eat up the $200 your sister gave you & then some.
 
Ok, first of all, there are some people who do videos but not very dedicated like I am. Dedicated I mean as in planning and writing an entire script and spending money on making a movie. As for the SAG actors, I never said SAG actors, I said SAG actor. No S. He lives one hour away from here. But he might not end up on my movie because it isn't easy to register with SAG and he's also not responding to my phone calls. But I have other people who want his part anyway.

As for Vegas, I probably couldn't do what you guys are talking about even if I wanted to. When I watched it on Media Player, it had the bars. I don't know, maybe when I uploaded it, it didn't work. How much is the pro version anyway? I am probably going to make $300 editing a wedding.

I'm sure you can't do that thing with bars with the version of Vegas I have. I've read the entire manual before and have checked the help guides on the software. If I can't do it, what do you guys suggest I should do? Besides buying the pro version (I will in the future. I want to get Vegas 6. Just came out). Let me know. Thanks!
 
Questionman17 said:
As for the SAG actors, I never said SAG actors, I said SAG actor. No S. He lives one hour away from here. But he might not end up on my movie because it isn't easy to register with SAG and he's also not responding to my phone calls.

Dude, WRONG! You said "Actors" ... as in WITH an "s". I even went back to the thread you started about two camera angles and did a quick search, because I remembered what I read ... here it is:

Questionman17 said:
The people that said that may script is great are SAG actors and professional music composers and everyone else that has read it.

Maybe that's why people grew so annoyed with your comments ... you weren't watching what you were typing, as you obviously didn't mean to type what you did ... that or you were lying at the time. Either way, it's there in print, and that's just one of the reasons why some of the things you've said don't make sense to me or add up. Just IMOHO.

Questionman17 said:
As for Vegas, I probably couldn't do what you guys are talking about even if I wanted to ... I'm sure you can't do that thing with bars with the version of Vegas I have. I've read the entire manual before and have checked the help guides on the software. If I can't do it, what do you guys suggest I should do? Besides buying the pro version ...

Here's a quick fix that I'm guessing you should be able to do in the consumer version. Render it out to a widescreen AVI file (working in a widescreen project setting). Then, bring that file back into a 4:3 project setting & render back out to your letterboxed 4:3 in WMV, QT, etc for web. It'll automatically place your black bars, and they won't be effected by the flashes/CC because those are only on the rendered video you brought back into the project, not done in the final 4:3 render.

Questionman17 said:
How much is the pro version anyway? I am probably going to make $300 editing a wedding.

Google it, or go to Sony's website & learn about it. Once you see what the retail price is, because you're a student, you can likely get it for SUBSTANTIALLY less through an online store that offers student packages.
 
Whew! Now I just have to be strong, and not be tempted to look at this thread again to respond.

Good luck with your first feature film Q17!
 
saddended though not surprised...

saddended though not surprised...

TimmyTim:

I have always to tried give everyone (especially, YOU) the benefit of the doubt, but clearly you have been deceitful and despite my better intentions to tell you what you need to know to be successful, you have not responded positively to a single word I have said.

Just to send cold chills up your back, which you deserve for the way you've carried yourself and treated others, I have decided to never help you again.

Cut the bullshit.

Good day,
Brian Wells
 
Kid your hopeless if you keep having to ask these ridiculous questions..

Your not prepared at all to do a feature film.. let alone a short film..

Take yourself out of the bullshit.. one leg at a time..

Well you guys can help me with suggestions on how to find it. Garage I mean just like a normal garage. Like in a location. Like a house garage but with more cars.

or.... you could have gotten off your ass and already had this location scouted and picked out months ago..

The question comes to mind... why the hell should we even help a kid like you? You seem to know it all anyways.... with your "God given talent" and your "dedication".

Sigh... seems we get one of you guys around here every so often... too much brain.. not nearly enough brain power..
 
Ok, you guys can keep putting me down. But I won't go down. If you guys think I suck, that's fine, but I won't give up on this. And thisiswells, I don't think you've been reading my responses because I always thank you specifically and tell you how you've been helpful throughout the entire time. I have been using everyone's advice and I am working on it. I already apologized to you guys and I am trying to be better in these forums. That two angles forum started with a simple question, and then right away when someone put me down in a harmful way, that's when it started. It's fine. I am ready for persecution. I don't care if my movie is not the best, as long as people hear the message and learn something from it. I am trying to tell a story and have fun doing it. Man, I would love to help people with filmmaking. I always get dumb questions from my friends about editing. Dumb questions like, "How do I get rid of the audio?" Uh, just click on it and press delete. But you know what I help them without putting them down because they know I am their resource. If you guys didn't want to help me, you could've just said so. You didn't have to bash me down and treat me like dirt. I never treated you like dirt. I just tried to defend myself while you guys beat down on me. But it's fine. If you guys don't respond to this forum that's fine. If you want to keep helping me that's fine too. Either way, I'm not quitting.

For someone who wants to answer: I heard that if you render a project it doesn't lose quality. So I'm assuming rendering my file to AVI and then to 4:3 mpeg, it won't have noticeable loss of quality right? Oh yeh, and what if you want to make the widescreen wider. Vegas has it set in 16:9. Is there a way to make it wider without having those black bars. If not, I will just use the 16:9 normally (which sucks because I wanted to have it more widescreen). If you guys don't want to help, I understand. But if you do, I thank you and highly appreciate it.

God bless!
 
Kid.. nobody is putting you down..

nobody wants to deal with your stupidity anymore thats all... every single post is either something like:

"How do I get the widescreen look of bad boys II" "Oh wait I got it.."

then your start talking about how everyone is putting you down and how you will make your film no matter what... blah blah... nobody gives a **** anymore..

Your just asking questions just in hopes someone will answer... do you even read what you write?

Asking about aspect ratios really doesn't have anything to do with your music video (which still doesn't work) or with your two camera question... your just asking **** for the sake of asking now..

honestly tell me.. how does a 4:3 MPEG with a widescreen mask/a 16:9 MPEG have anything to do with any of the things people have been trying to tell you?

Does knowing this suddenly mean your going to be more prepared? No. Take my advice from before..

SHOOT YOUR FILM.

then when it is shot come back onto the forum. And stop asking these stupid ass questions.. because there are few people that want to deal with you anymore.

Take my advice, it is good. Shoot, learn from it.

and one more thing... stop trying to impress us... or whatever your trying to do.
 
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