POLL: Which NLE will be the "industry standard" a year from now?

POLL: Which NLE will be the "industry standard" a year from now?

  • Premiere Pro

    Votes: 62 35.6%

  • FCP X

    Votes: 39 22.4%

  • FCP 7

    Votes: 8 4.6%

  • Avid

    Votes: 59 33.9%

  • Vegas

    Votes: 3 1.7%

  • i movie ;)

    Votes: 1 0.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 2 1.1%
  • Total voters
    174
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HansSteinert said:
Personally, I don't see that happening at all.
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Not many saw the coming of the demise of film cutting and tape editing either. When it was inevitable, they were screaming and kicking. It looks like the cycle has begun again. I'm no Nostradamus, but digital and Internet delivery will change everything. One day we will be able to shoot and simultaneously import to an NLE wirelessly and output directly to a server.
 
Its always the same arguments: " its the future". How about the present? For the present this software is lackluster, as simple as that. "it will evolve in the future" - when is that? 1 year? Two years? What do school teach until then? What do post houses do until then?

I would really like to know what FCPX does that other editors do not that make an edit better. I know what FCPX DOESN'T DO, which is provide broadcast quality monitoring, XML, OMF export, precise selection of transcoding codec, multitrack precise audio editing, and on and on...

Really, what does it do more?
 
VMT said:
digital and Internet delivery will change everything.
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Everything has already changed. Why is digital delivery and the internet held up as the exclusive domain of Apple? Premiere, Avid, Vegas, etc. all have the ability to output files for the internet.

VMT said:
One day we will be able to shoot and simultaneously import to an NLE wirelessly and output directly to a server.
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I do this now on a routine basis. Capture live video via HD-SDI directly to a bin. Edit and export the file directly to a server for play out. I'm doing this on a Media Composer. I could use this work flow with FCP7. I cannot use this workflow with FCPX.

Given that all the NLE's currently on the market are capable of digital delivery what sets FCPX apart?
 
SPZ said:
For the present this software is lackluster, as simple as that. "it will evolve in the future" - when is that? 1 year? Two years? What do school teach until then? What do post houses do until then?
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How many weeks have you been using FCP X?
 
VMT said:
Not many saw the coming of the demise of film cutting and tape editing either. When it was inevitable, they were screaming and kicking.
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No, they weren't. Most people I know fully embraced the transition to NLE's from tape to tape. When my station went from tape-to-tape to Avid, it didn't take long for most to fully appreciate it, and most knew it was going to come long before it did happen. The only people complaining were complaining (and rightfully so) about the bugs in the system and the issues it caused us, not the system itself. I have never heard of anyone who ever complained about wishing for the good old days of tape to tape. I have no idea where you get the idea that everyone was kicking and screaming.

One day we will be able to shoot and simultaneously import to an NLE wirelessly and output directly to a server.
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We've been doing this for years. My station shoots P2. Yank the card, send it via microwave or sat truck back to the station directly into the server, put it on the air. [edit] even without P2 in the mix, there is nothing preventing a live shot from being directly ingested into the server.[/edit] Even before NLE's it's been possible to do this for years... every live shot done in the last 50 years has done this. And now with things like Ustream, anyone can and are doing it via the web.
 
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SPZ said:
Its always the same arguments: " its the future". How about the present? For the present this software is lackluster, as simple as that. "it will evolve in the future" - when is that? 1 year? Two years? What do school teach until then? What do post houses do until then?

I would really like to know what FCPX does that other editors do not that make an edit better. I know what FCPX DOESN'T DO, which is provide broadcast quality monitoring, XML, OMF export, precise selection of transcoding codec, multitrack precise audio editing, and on and on...

Really, what does it do more?
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It is about the future. For those who can wait, it will pay off.

What does it do more? Plenty. One of my favorite features is audition, which allows you to sample alternate clips/edits in the timeline. Huge time saver and frees you up for more creative editing options.
 
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VMT said:
Not many saw the coming of the demise of film cutting and tape editing either.
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Most people in the business saw it coming when I was a student at the Berlin Film Academy at around 1978 - but most knew it would stay much longer than the "predictors" expected. Most hated tape to tape editing and where absolutely happy when NLEs started to take over.

It is a superfluous stereotype that block headed professional dinosaurs would not embrace technical change.
 
milksac said:
Everything has already changed. Why is digital delivery and the internet held up as the exclusive domain of Apple? Premiere, Avid, Vegas, etc. all have the ability to output files for the internet.
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Does Avid or Adobe have iTunes, iPhone, iPad, iCloud, etc? No. Apple has a comprehensive strategy and roadmap. FCP X has a clear place on that roadmap.

milksac said:
I do this now on a routine basis. Capture live video via HD-SDI directly to a bin. Edit and export the file directly to a server for play out. I'm doing this on a Media Composer.
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My point is FCP X is positioned to integrate with new technologies and how media will be created, delivered and consumed. No company has done it better or more forcefully than Apple in the last decade.

milksac said:
Given that all the NLE's currently on the market are capable of digital delivery what sets FCPX apart?
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Look, Apple is a leading tech company with vast resources for R&D few companies can match. Many smaller companies were built around FCP and have benefitted from Apple's strategy. There is no reason why these companies will not continue to respect and support FCP X and reap the benefits Apple will continue to sow. These companies would be shooting themselves in the foot if they think like many of the editors who are screaming the sky is falling with the release of FCP X.
 
Mike Harvey said:
No, they weren't. Most people I know fully embraced the transition to NLE's from tape to tape. When my station went from tape-to-tape to Avid, it didn't take long for most to fully appreciate it, and most knew it was going to come long before it did happen. The only people complaining were complaining (and rightfully so) about the bugs in the system and the issues it caused us, not the system itself. I have never heard of anyone who ever complained about wishing for the good old days of tape to tape. I have no idea where you get the idea that everyone was kicking and screaming.

We've been doing this for years. My station shoots P2. Yank the card, send it via microwave or sat truck back to the station directly into the server, put it on the air. [edit] even without P2 in the mix, there is nothing preventing a live shot from being directly ingested into the server.[/edit] Even before NLE's it's been possible to do this for years... every live shot done in the last 50 years has done this. And now with things like Ustream, anyone can and are doing it via the web.
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You can wirelessly upload your edit straight from the timeline to an internet server now? What program are you using? I'm suggesting that Apple probably has this workflow in mind.
 
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VMT said:
Does Avid or Adobe have iTunes, iPhone, iPad, iCloud, etc? No. Apple has a comprehensive strategy and roadmap. FCP X has a clear place on that roadmap.
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There is nothing preventing folks editing on Adobe or Avid from distributing via iTunes, and most platforms like Youtube and Vimeo are easily compatible with the iPhone and iPad. No one is denying that Apple has a clear roadmap, but they aren't the only ones, and not everyone uses them. They are taking a fairly "walled garden" approach. I mean, I would much rather my media be compatible with the Android OS than the iOS, as that is what the bulk of smart devices are now using... and it's a fairly open source format. And most distribution channels outside of iTunes are going to great lengths to be available to both.
 
I agree - the fact that Apple makes various computer electronics will not do much to give FCPX a leg-up on digital distribution. There isn't any magic behind FCPX's output options that the other guys don't have.
 
tipota said:
Most people in the business saw it coming when I was a student at the Berlin Film Academy at around 1978 - but most knew it would stay much longer than the "predictors" expected. Most hated tape to tape editing and where absolutely happy when NLEs started to take over.

It is a superfluous stereotype that block headed professional dinosaurs would not embrace technical change.
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I'm not talking about analog tape linear editing. I mean specifically using tape in acquisition and editing workflow. It wasn;t too long ago some people were dismissing the transition to file-based media. Well everything is file-based now, and that is where FCP X comes in. Apple makes now apologies that FCP X is completely a file-based NLE. You want tape, talk to your third party peripheral providers.

Certainly with film, there were professionals who vowed never to use an NLE. How many of those are left? Only ones with the cash to cut on film.
 
VMT said:
You can wireless upload your edit straight from the timeline to an internet server now? What program are you using? I'm suggesting that Apple probably has this workflow in mind.
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For non-TV, just use Youtube and Vimeo. Finish the edit. Export out the .MP4. Upload to the web distribution service of your choice. For TV, export the timeline straight to the server for on air playback. For live streaming via the web... use one of the many livestreaming services. There isn't anything new here.
 
Mike Harvey said:
There is nothing preventing folks editing on Adobe or Avid from distributing via iTunes, and most platforms like Youtube and Vimeo are easily compatible with the iPhone and iPad. No one is denying that Apple has a clear roadmap, but they aren't the only ones, and not everyone uses them. They are taking a fairly "walled garden" approach. I mean, I would much rather my media be compatible with the Android OS than the iOS, as that is what the bulk of smart devices are now using... and it's a fairly open source format. And most distribution channels outside of iTunes are going to great lengths to be available to both.
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The point is FCP X integrates well within Apple's ecosystem and where Apple wants to go in terms of media creation, delivery and consumption.

I make a decent living on Apple products and I'm sticking with Apple for now and anticipate that what comes next for FCP X will make my job easier. Nothing bad about Avid or PP, but there is no compelling reason for me to start using their products.
 
Mike Harvey said:
For non-TV, just use Youtube and Vimeo. Finish the edit. Export out the .MP4. Upload to the web distribution service of your choice. For TV, export the timeline straight to the server for on air playback. For live streaming via the web... use one of the many livestreaming services. There isn't anything new here.
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No. not what I have mind. I know what NLEs can do, and yeah none of it is new. You're talking about a workflow for pros. I'm talking about NO workflow, Apple's strategy to allow everyone the ability to seamlessly put their stuff on the internet or wherever the heck they want.
 
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VMT said:
No. not what I have mind. I know what NLEs can do, and yeah none of it is new. You're talking about a workflow for pros. I'm talking about NO workflow, Apple's strategy to allow everyone the ability to seamlessly put their stuff on the internet or wherever the heck they want.
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I get that, but that's already possible. Kudos to Apple for trying to make it as seamless as possible... but it's already pretty simple to do as it is. If you can use a consumer level NLE, you can easily do it now.
 
Mike Harvey said:
I get that, but that's already possible. Kudos to Apple for trying to make it as seamless as possible... but it's already pretty simple to do as it is. If you can use a consumer level NLE, you can easily do it now.
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We're beating a dead horse. but the thing is, not everyone can use the tech where Apple can multiply its market share.
 
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