Playback troubleshooting

Justin2

Justin2

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I am looking to convert what I have (location sound recording package) into something where I can do playback for music videos.
I currently have a 003 that I dont really use anymore, and realized I need a mtc -> ltc converter box. I see a few around the $500 range, and also read somewhere that motu can be used. Would the MOTU MIDI Timepiece AV Interface work for this? How about the earlier model 'Motu midi timepiece II' ?
I heard of another product called 'soundpool sync box', but I cant seem to find anyone that sells it.

Final question is, are there better ways to do these types of gigs more efficiently that with pro tools?

Thanks,

Justin
 
You can do this with an iPod and a small PA system, honestly. Just add 3 sync beeps/pops at the head of the playback track so that you can line up each take in post.
 
Not sure why you need a MIDI to TC box? But yes the MTP AV and or the DTP will work. I have both sitting around hear gathering dust.

But again it's a little confusing as to why you would need to use one.
 
Tc

Tc

Because I have a 003 and would like to use pro tools 8 for my playback.
How much range will I get out of the comteks? (216 series) or (72 series)

Noiz2 said:
Not sure why you need a MIDI to TC box? But yes the MTP AV and or the DTP will work. I have both sitting around hear gathering dust.

But again it's a little confusing as to why you would need to use one.
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another great post by richard crowley...

another great post by richard crowley...

Why is it that I never find your sarcastic responses helpful?
A boom box? Because we need to have timecode on legit productions.
It may be over-engineered, but what is engineering?
Its making things work with what you have, not spending major $ to accomplish it.
I have a 003, I would like to use Pro Tools, since buying DVTK or and HD system isnt financially realistic at this point, I am trying to gain some insight from real engineers, so just answer the question if you can or dont bother responding.



Richard Crowley said:
OK. But that doesn't seem like the answer to the question "why"?

Seems like you're over-engineering this.
As C2V said, most anything, even a boom-box, would work.
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I hate to say it, but your question really isn't dialed in enough to get the response you are looking for. Is your question "what gear do I need to get timecode running from a computer rig with an 003"? Because that isn't what it sounds like from your first post. From what I read of your first post, I thought you were asking about how to get a PA rig running from it, and I would have answered in a very similar manner (put a couple powered speakers on the 003 and add a couple of beeps to synch).

The few times I have been involved with music video's, I haven't ever seen studio audio equipment there, and several times it has just been an ipod playing back music through a PA (or even a boom box for quick shots when there isn't a drummer).
 
Justin2 said:
Because we need to have timecode on legit productions.
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So anything without TC sync isn't legit? That discounts a lot of the stuff you've watched in movie theaters and on TV, and quite a few music videos you've seen.

THIS music video was shot entirely on the Canon EOS 7D. I guarantee that they did not have TC-sync playback, because the 7D doesn't have TC. So does that mean this is not "legit?"

Add sync beeps to the head of your track. Use an iPod (or a CD player, or MiniDisc, or whatever you have) and a PA system, and record on-camera mic audio for reference with each take. Drop the takes into your time line, as well as the source audio with the sync beeps. Line the sync beeps up and then ditch the camera audio from all the takes.
 
C2V said:
THIS music video was shot entirely on the Canon EOS 7D. I guarantee that they did not have TC-sync playback, because the 7D doesn't have TC. So does that mean this is not "legit?"
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The time code on the slate would be matching the time code from the music playback machine. It wouldnt have anything to do with the camera in this situation.
 
Rippie said:
The time code on the slate would be matching the time code from the music playback machine. It wouldnt have anything to do with the camera in this situation.
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Fair enough.

But again, I don't agree with the assertion that TC playback is the measure of a legitimate music video shoot.
 
C2V said:
But again, I don't agree with the assertion that TC playback is the measure of a legitimate music video shoot.
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I thought the only true measurement of the "legitness" of a music video these
days is how many girls in bikinis and how many gold chains were on set.
 
That makes sense and it works, but again if the client wants TC then you have to give it to them or they go with someone else. It may be from inexperience, but regardless getting the gig is being able to deliver what they want.

The sync beeps work at the head of the track, but if you start doing pickups on the second verse or chorus, it fails to do the job.

Time code doesnt need to be on the camera, because the timecode is for sound purposes, this is why the sound mixer is expected to bring the slate. I dont agree with it either, as I dont agree with a lot of US policy that has put us in serious economic trouble, but I with others have to deal with it.


C2V said:
So anything without TC sync isn't legit? That discounts a lot of the stuff you've watched in movie theaters and on TV, and quite a few music videos you've seen.

THIS music video was shot entirely on the Canon EOS 7D. I guarantee that they did not have TC-sync playback, because the 7D doesn't have TC. So does that mean this is not "legit?"

Add sync beeps to the head of your track. Use an iPod (or a CD player, or MiniDisc, or whatever you have) and a PA system, and record on-camera mic audio for reference with each take. Drop the takes into your time line, as well as the source audio with the sync beeps. Line the sync beeps up and then ditch the camera audio from all the takes.
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See it wasn't so hard to tell us why. But your question was answered before, by you. Get a MTP A/V and sync it to the slate.

THe MTP or DTP will both generate TC from Le. Make sure to set the start of the song to some locatable position like 01:00:00:00 so the TC makes some sense and you should be good to go.

People need to know the parameters to make a meaningful response. Your question was very unclear and you did in fact get reasonable responses. Being nasty to those who are trying to help doesn't do you any good. You just took one (and likely more) very knowledgeable members of this forum out of the pool you could ask questions of. Not a great strategy for success.

Justin2 said:
That makes sense and it works, but again if the client wants TC then you have to give it to them or they go with someone else. It may be from inexperience, but regardless getting the gig is being able to deliver what they want.

The sync beeps work at the head of the track, but if you start doing pickups on the second verse or chorus, it fails to do the job.

Time code doesnt need to be on the camera, because the timecode is for sound purposes, this is why the sound mixer is expected to bring the slate. I dont agree with it either, as I dont agree with a lot of US policy that has put us in serious economic trouble, but I with others have to deal with it.
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