Playback 60P at 40% in camera?

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Can Scanner

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Can you play back in camera a 60P clip shot in 720P 24PN at the intended 40% speed? And/or play this back out through the component/s-video/composite?

Also, I swear I read somewhere in the manual that certain playback modes won't play back audio? Is this true?

Thanks in advance!
 
Yes playing back "pN" mode clips does exactly what you're asking -- it plays back the clips at 24fps speed, regardless of what frame rate you acquired it at. So a 720/24pN clip @ 60fps will play back in-camera at 40% speed, and yes it goes out the component, composite, and s-video output ports.

And no audio is recorded in overcranked/undercranked 24pN or 30pN footage. Audio gets recorded in the "over 60" mode at all times, but not in the "native" modes if you change the frame rate away from the default.
 
Barry_Green said:
but not in the "native" modes if you change the frame rate away from the default.
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This needs to change.

It means if you want audio when overcranking you either need a seperate sound recordist with their DAT, portaHD, or whatever. Or the time, place, and funds for ADR.
 
Yeah but let's face it . . . if you played your audio back at 40% what good would that be over/under cranking someones lips moving with sync'd speech?

Think old Kung Fu movies with voice over -- funny stuff.
 
It would be convenient to have reference audio, but -- it's not a big deal. You can just shoot in the "over 60" mode and it'll record audio, and you do the Frame Rate Conversion in post. And, like dregenthal said, what are you going to do with that audio anyway?
 
People are missing the point that PN is a space saving device. You should always choose 'over 60' if disk space is no problem as it gives way more options in post.
-matt
 
"what are you going to do with that audio anyway?"

well, i'd use it for humorous dramatic shots:

(First character gets shot and falls dead. In slow motion, second character falls to knees, squeezes eyes shut, tilts head backwards, and reaches towards sky.)

"wwwwWWWWWWHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY???!!!!!!!!!"

I'd use the audio with or without the lowered pitch. You can always raise the pitch without altering the tempo with a capable audio program.
 
Barry_Green said:
And, like dregenthal said, what are you going to do with that audio anyway?
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You never know when something might save your hide or be of great use in the editing room.

If I'm shooting some slow mo of a race on the track...I want the tires and engine noise...I dont care if its off speed. The option is valuable.
 
Can Scanner said:
"what are you going to do with that audio anyway?"

well, i'd use it for humorous dramatic shots:

(First character gets shot and falls dead. In slow motion, second character falls to knees, squeezes eyes shut, tilts head backwards, and reaches towards sky.)

"wwwwWWWWWWHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY???!!!!!!!!!"

I'd use the audio with or without the lowered pitch. You can always raise the pitch without altering the tempo with a capable audio program.
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On the one day every year you may need to record audio with slo-mo, just rent what you need. Or borrow a nagra from your friend who can check it out from film school. Hell you can get some pretty good sound from an old Marantz 201. Remember those?
 
I will admit I'd rather have it than not have it, certainly. And audio doesn't take up much space. I already asked the engineers to include it, we'll see what happens.

In the meantime, there's a very simple workaround -- just shoot "over 60" instead of "pN". It'll record audio, and you use the FRC to conform the footage to be native in post. Not an ideal workflow, but it's there and it would work.
 
Barry_Green said:
I will admit I'd rather have it than not have it, certainly. And audio doesn't take up much space. I already asked the engineers to include it, we'll see what happens.

In the meantime, there's a very simple workaround -- just shoot "over 60" instead of "pN". It'll record audio, and you use the FRC to conform the footage to be native in post. Not an ideal workflow, but it's there and it would work.
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Would this be a simple firmware upgrade that would allow such a feature, or would it require a more internal change?

As much as I LOVE this camera...it has a lot of workarounds right now...expected from a 1st gen camera using new technology...but annoying none the less. I refrain from complaining because I want to see what Panasonic will come out with in their first revision/software upgrade/ etc.

I have given Ian at Abel my list as well, to pass on to Panasonic. I hope they seriously consider all the things we throw at them.
 
I have no idea what's possible or not possible with a firmware update, but I get the general idea that it's only capable of minor things.

To my mind, I would think this is a minor thing. I can't think of why it wouldn't be possible in a firmware upgrade, but that doesn't mean much: I don't know what's going on inside the camera, and having been a programmer I can easily say that there are many things that people would request that seem so simple to THEM, but as they said in "Alice In Wonderland": "you can't get there from here."
 
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