Pixel Size of the CCD's

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fiercecurry

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What are the pixel size/count of the 1/3 CCD's on the HVX?
Are they true 1920x1080 or are they 1280x720 that upres/interpolate to that. Or another size atogether?
 
Why? It's going to be a few months before there's even a working prototype. I don't know if the CCDs are even finished being designed yet. How can they provide specs like that on something that may not even be finalized yet?

I don't know what the specs will be, but like I said in the preview, all judgement will be made based on the final footage. The Sony has 960-pixel CCDs to record a 1920 image with, and it does a pretty darn good job, so I'm not worried about the technical specs until we see what the footage looks like.
 
The Sony has 960-pixel CCDs to record a 1920 image with, and it does a pretty darn good job, so I'm not worried about the technical specs until we see what the footage looks like.[/QUOTE]


You mean the Z1? On a NTSC monitor it looks slightly better than native DV. But whats it going to look like on a HD display/monitor that is native 1280x720 or even 1920x1080?

Not that good.
 
Please....there is no way Panasonic is going to drop the ball on a camera that offers so much. I think the design guys over in Japan are smart enough to realize that they cannot offer 1080i, 1080p, 720p, variable frame rates..etc..etc..etc with an insufficient poor performing CCD. It will have plenty of pixels, or perhaps just enough pixels to give stunning results. I expect nothing but excellence in the quality from this camera..and please quote me on that!
 
fiercecurry said:
You mean the Z1? On a NTSC monitor it looks slightly better than native DV.
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I disagree. On an NTSC monitor native DV, properly-shot on a comparable camera, looks a little better.

But whats it going to look like on a HD display/monitor that is native 1280x720 or even 1920x1080? Not that good.
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Have you seen it? I have. I've seen it on a $35,000 HD monitor.

Considering that the footage was coming off 960-pixel CCDs, from a $3,000 camera, I think the term I used to describe it was "jaw-dropping".

It's not a VariCam or a CineAlta, and it's interlaced only, but there's nobody on this planet or any other who would look at its 960-pixel CCD and then look at the footage it makes and say "that doesn't look much better than DV". The Z1 and FX1 do an amazing job for the price, they definitely deliver high-def footage.

Now combine that with twice the color sampling and removing all the motion artifacts, and I'm guessing the HVX will look quite a bit better still.
 
Wow, thats a great report. THe SDI is something i never heard of, just imagine what it could do besides montitoring, it means you could probably capture with it too, via SDI cables to a HD capture card!

Quote:
The camcorder has Firewire and USB2 ports. However, due to its bandwidth limitations, the Fireware connection can only accommodate standard definition video."

Thats a major bummer. If Panasonic is listening to us, (seems like they do) they should really consider Firewire 800. Thats the future and every MAC supports it. If you dont have a MAC you can buy a Firewire 800 PCI card for 60 bucks. Also Firewire 800 supports longer distances than Firewire 400(16ft max) and most importantly greater bandwith, easily accomodating HD.

So does this mean no "streaming" to laptop at HD res?
 
eronquillo said:
It looks like it's 1.1 megapixels per CCD. Check this out on Toms Hardware, under Technical Overview: http://www20.tomshardware.com/business/200504191/index.html
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Interesting. Nobody anywhere has commented on pixel count, yet these guys say it's 1.1megapixel. And they say that the firewire port would support SD only, which is completely opposite of everything we've been told. Furthermore they say it records 1440x720 interlaced, a format that doesn't even exist. (presumably they meant 1280x720 progressive). Then they say that for the DVCPro formats (which would presumably include regular DVCPro) it records 4:2:2, which is not true for regular DVCPro, only for the 50 and HD variations.

I love TomsHardwareGuide, but for this particular article there's too many errors for me to take what they're saying as confirmed and factual.

If I get back to the Panasonic booth I'll try to get confirmation on the 1.1 megapixel CCD thing. But frankly, I think they're confusing this camera with the HDX400, a new 1080i camera that was just introduced which *does* have 1.1-megapixel CCDs.
 
It doesn't. That's the hard thing for people to grasp. CCD pixels are not digital pixels, they're analog. There is not a 1:1 relationship.

Sony gets a 1920x1080 image out of a 960x1080 CCD. It looks to deliver about 800, maybe 850 horizontal lines of resolution (meaning a discernible 1700 pixels of res, from a 960-pixel CCD). Panasonic is getting a 1920x1080 image out of a 1280x720 CCD in the new HDX400, and the footage looks incredible.

We have no idea what the density, pixel count, or any other specification is or will be on the new camera, and we won't know that for months.
 
Tom is wrong obviously. Because DVCPRO HD is 100 mbit/s, even FireWire 400 is theoretically enough to transfer 1080 video over on an HDD in real time. But since a faster FireWire 800 is available, it's wiser to use it to make sure you have some extra bandwidth, as 800 mbit/s is, of course, under ideal conditions.
 
Fiercecurry,

Firewire has more than enough bandwidth to transfer DVCPRO-HD content.

FW400 has a sustainable rate of around 30-34MB/sec.... with DVCPRO-HD only being 12.5MB/sec it can easily transfer footage.

That article on Tom's Hardware should read 'USB 2.0 can unfortunately only accomodate SD video footage'

which would make sense since the sustained transfer rate of USB 2.0 is around 12MB/sec...
 
The last 3 or 4 posts have said it perfectly!!

But of course, I had to add my 2.856 Cents!!

Obviously uncle *TOM*.....is misinformed......Firewire is more than capable of handling a DVCPRO-HD Stream. 400mbps = 50MBps stream. Sounds plenty good to me. I think a *measly* 50MBps Firewire can handle a 12.5MBps sustained data rate.

~reservoir~
 
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