Picture Profile Questions

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Huy Vu

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What does the Color Phase setting in the picture profile actually do? I've tried setting it either way up (+7) or way down (-7) but this did not produce any noticeable change in the look of the picture.

And anyone know why I can't change shutter speed down below 1/30 when I have Picture Profile enabled?
 
I'm not 100% on the color phase settings, so I won't even attempt to answer.

I do know, however, that the shutter speed setting capabilities while you are in the Picture Profile setting, depends on what profile you are in. For example, if you are in cineframe 24 or 30, you can only adjust the shutter speed to a certain extent.
 
Color Phase gives the picture a slight greenish or reddish cast. Not sure if I or anyone else would ever need to use it.

-7 greenish - +7 reddish
 
any indepth info on what can be done with picture profiles

any indepth info on what can be done with picture profiles

I've been trying to search for some info/wisdom on manipulating the picture profile settings.

Any one with any appropriate links!!

I'm just starting to play with the settings but it's difficult for me to spot changes with minor setting changes.

cheers
 
In my experience, you'll pretty much always set the Color Level to maximum (+7). Bringing it down doesn't usually make much of a difference. I usually have the sharpness around 12 but then again this doesn't make too much of a difference either. The main thing is that you'll always want to have Cinematone on. Believe it or not this does cut down on that bright video look and provides a much more film like tone. Cineframe24 produces some weird motion artifact although that's up to the person filming, I usually use Cineframe30, although this doesn't make that much difference from normal 60i anyway.

If you have a Z1U then you're lucky because that camera offers way more picture profile options than the FX1. Overall the FX1 has very little picture control. The only option that I really mess around with is the WB shift to either make it more warm or more cool.
 
I just want to say that experementing is the only way to find out what is best for you in either camera. For instance jade8472 suggested some setting that I personaly find unexeptable for my taste, but that doesnt meen that those setings are not good for what he is up to doesnt it ? Further more I to will use them if what I shoot demands it. There is not a perfect look. But if you are just searching about opinions of how you will manage to record what your eye see and wish to go for a filmout then I will say that for my eyes Cinematone eliminates all the depth that this camera is capable of (plus you will get film gamma when you tranfer to film!) and color level even at 0 is oversaturated. I prefer something beetween -3 to -1. I use Cienframe 25 (I have the FX1E) wich delivers a perfect 25p but reduces resolution 15% and leave sharpeness and color phase to default. I repeat that those figures are not panacea and you should avoid shooting without testing.

best
Andreas
 
The FX1 has plenty of Picture Profile control, except only one CinemaTone setting (level 1) and no Blackstretch. If you want extremely "colorful" images, go to the highest setting in color level. I use either a +1 or +2 with a "general" film and video look, and a +3 or +4 for a more rich film and video look. For an A1 or HC1, I use a +5 or so, which is around +2 on the Z1/FX1. For specific "washed out" looks, I take it down to almost black and white, or even a slight fade with a -1 or -2.

And yes, using any CineFrame won't allow the shutter to drop lower than 1/30 or 1/25, depending on the frame rate you've selected.

heath
 
I would never have any of the settings at the maximum or the minimum. Set the camera to a setting where you get the best picture and then in post, color correct or add filters to get your final product. I've never gone above +3 on the color level because it starts to look fake and it's harder in post to fix those problems.
 
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