Panning 'mud', reasons why and firmware update

well I got 4 hours sleep till the baby woke me :zombie_smiley:

Mud was certainly a factor in my decision. If panny puts out a model with a pro codec I'll be all over it like a fly on shi*. The sticker price here in Aus is insulting, it's far more expensive than anywhere else in the world. It's a shame because the GH1 is definitely the winner in a few areas like less jello, AF tracking, swing out LCD, lens options, smaller, lighter, cheaper (not much cheaper here) etc.

Barry is right when he says it will work if you use it within it's capabilities but then you watch a hollywood film and think could I have shot this with the GH1 and in my case the answer was no. I'll certainly have to work harder to get certain shots with the MKII without the AF and added jello but I like doing things the hard way. I just knew if I got the GH1 I'd always be thinking "what if" about the MKII.

I still think great work will be done with the GH1 as was and is being done with the crippled D90. The MKII is a big investment with all the glass, rig, filters, follow focus etc so the GH1 is still a bargain. As I've said before you won't really know if it's for you until you try it. I'm not sure full frame is for me so I might be replacing it shortly with something else from Nikon, Samsung or Pentax.

Jean if you know somebody in HK they're about $1900 plus shipping and GST. The Nikon D300s/D400 should be out soon and will probably retail for under 3 grand, no confirmed specs yet but I expect it will be nice. The pentax K-7 $1500 AUD looks really promising, no manual control yet but robust codec and nice picture from the one clip out there I've seen.
 
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squig said:
well I got 4 hours sleep till the baby woke me :zombie_smiley:

Mud was certainly a factor in my decision. If panny puts out a model with a pro codec I'll be all over it like a fly on shi*. The sticker price here in Aus is insulting, it's far more expensive than anywhere else in the world. It's a shame because the GH1 is definitely the winner in a few areas like less jello, AF tracking, swing out LCD, smaller, lighter, cheaper (not much cheaper here) etc.

Barry is right when he says it will work if you use it within it's capabilities but then you watch a hollywood film and think could I have shot this with the GH1 and in my case the answer was no. I'll certainly have to work harder to get certain shots with the MKII without the AF and added jello but I like doing things the hard way. I just knew if I got the GH1 I'd always be thinking "what if" about the MKII.

I still think great work will be done with the GH1 as was and is being done with the crippled D90. The MKII is a big investment with all the glass, rig, filters, follow focus etc so the GH1 is still a bargain. As I've said before you won't really know if it's for you until you try it. I'm not sure full frame is for me so I might be replacing it shortly with something else from Nikon, Samsung or Pentax.

Jean if you know somebody in HK they're about $1900 plus shipping and GST. The Nikon D300s/D400 should be out soon and will probably retail for under 3 grand, no confirmed specs yet but I expect it will be nice. The pentax K-7 $1500 AUD looks really promising, no manual control yet but robust codec and nice picture from the one clip out there I've seen.
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Quoting for when you change your mind in a few hours.
 
yeah I've just been thinking about the hell I'm going to cop from you guys when I do. I said I was going to "get" a MKII. That may mean "rent" hehe
 
I understand your curiosity, and I feel the same way as you do - but I think a 'wait and see' approach is better than beating the dead horse. We really have a very very very poor understanding of this issue.

The phenomena going on here is that over the past few weeks, the problem keeps looking worse and worse - not because we have a better understanding of it, but because people are amplifying it as the hearsay and uninformed opinions built on top of each other.

What I would like to see is that our understanding of this issue catches up with people's opinions of the issue. And until that happens we are all just speculating.

As you said, there has been very little professional work done, the camera is being shipped as we speak. Soon there will be thousands of users who will be able to assess it, and soon we will have the whole picture of what is going on.

On this topic, Kohil - I have been anticipating the test footage you told us about like if it was Star Wars 7 - is it ever going to come?
 
PappasArts said:
The 60D for sure is coming! I think that's one of a few reasons the Firmware came out. I think to make nice with current 5D owners before a more refined and the very latest technology installed in a newer camera gets released. Remember the 5D MII is almost a year old. The head of Canon spoke candid during a PMA interview with DPreview.com; and even stated that a lower price camera can leap upper ones that might be a little older in the technology implantations of the time of their design; ( referencing to the 5D leaping the 1DS questions ) that was just the way technology works he basically said. The 60D line is 1,700 approx costing camera. Not really far in price form the 5D. It will be interesting...

However this is interesting:

B&H just put up the Nimar UNDERWATER HOUSING for the Canon EOS 60D on their site.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...I303D1607_UNDERWATER_HOUSING_f_CANON_EOS.html



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That water housing looks bad-ass. I'll trade in my MKii for a 60D if that means I can go back to 35mm or pseudo FOV etc. Love the stills from the MKii, video looks great but it's just missing something for me.

60D might fix that.
 
andrzejkra said:
I understand your curiosity, and I feel the same way as you do - but I think a 'wait and see' approach is better than beating the dead horse. We really have a very very very poor understanding of this issue.

The phenomena going on here is that over the past few weeks, the problem keeps looking worse and worse - not because we have a better understanding of it, but because people are amplifying it as the hearsay and uninformed opinions built on top of each other.

What I would like to see is that our understanding of this issue catches up with people's opinions of the issue. And until that happens we are all just speculating.

As you said, there has been very little professional work done, the camera is being shipped as we speak. Soon there will be thousands of users who will be able to assess it, and soon we will have the whole picture of what is going on.

On this topic, Kohil - I have been anticipating the test footage you told us about like if it was Star Wars 7 - is it ever going to come?
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Eh? the stuff I shot or the Heineken stuff? I have no control over the Heineken stuff... that's what we call work for hire. The stuff that pays you...

As far as the stuff I shot personally it's getting a muzzle flash treatment then sound. Nothing major, just action test stuff, literally walked out back and shot something in the alleyway.

SOon enough.
 
WAITING MODE: :huh:

Well I'm not really on a fence - just RE-EXAMING my needs today.

I came here with wind of the gh-1. why ?

1. the FORM FACTOR
2. 1080 p. / auto focus

I thought the gh-1, with it's form factor, 1080p, and DOF, would fit well with
my shooting style, and other cams. [HV20, pocket 720 Sony, etc.] Kind of a high end, run and gun cam.

With my dissapointment, I have gradually been seduced by the MK2. But the
FORM factor doesnt fit with my current needs. I consider the canon, for me, more a studio camera.

And in my studio i shoot MAINLY GREEN SCREEN. { hv20 + adding intensity
card workflow for UNCOMPRESSED 4-2-2} . This is serious shooting, and
I need the BEST WORKFLOW possible, here. { in budget}

Also some HIREZ stills for posters. { medium format? }

The gh1 would have fit in my travel bag and been used, hopefully heavily.
BUT, I'm afraid I'll leave the M2K at home,- worse in storage -, JUST Like my other HEAVY DSLR, which was top rated in it's day, ( but no video), and just
gathers dust. Sure, pull it out for hirez stills, or the odd shoot.

so.......

I could get the mk2 or save the money. Michael Pappas tells me to wait.
I think he's right.
 
I think what I'm really waiting for is something with an APS-C sensor, 24p, less jello, AF, and 70Mbps+ mjpeg. And I think it's in a box somewhere waiting to be shipped. But I'm done waiting and I'm sure you're all done listening to me whinge.
 
Kholi said:
That water housing looks bad-ass. I'll trade in my MKii for a 60D if that means I can go back to 35mm or pseudo FOV etc. Love the stills from the MKii, video looks great but it's just missing something for me.

60D might fix that.
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lol we both want the same thing
 
In defense of all the fence riders: there are several people yappin' about the MKii as if it's the second coming, but most of them don't even have one themselves. So obviously, it's not as clear a choice as they're pitching.

I've used and owned BOTH and it really isn't a clear choice. Be seduced by work, not words. When the Stateside GH-1's hit, people WILL be shooting narrative on it out of the box and you WILL see a plethora of Walk, not Talk.

Judge by that. 60D sounds interesting, just wondering how this one will be crippled. 24P but no manual controls... thanks a lot Canon.
 
The MKII has plenty of flaws but I think I'm aware of most of them but yeah you have to do your homework.
 
I see a big Nikon vs Canon battle coming. The D300s/D400 and 60D are rumored to both be coming out at the same time with a similar spec. At this point I think both companies would be too afraid about losing market share in a depressed market not to put everything they've got into these cams. great for us!

lol the Nikon websites are being updated....I should have bought those adapters sooner
 
Kholi said:
When the Stateside GH-1's hit, people WILL be shooting narrative on it out of the box and you WILL see a plethora of Walk, not Talk.
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I'm not sure I understand the relevance of this.. As opposed to what? People have been shooting narrative work with the 5D & D90 since 2008.
 
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Barry_Green said:
But at $1500, and aimed at consumers, and with all else that it's got going for it, that tips the scale to the point of "heck yeah, let's make this thing work!"
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exactly the reason why I got it and am very happy. I am shooting as much as possible and already tried some nikon glass with the adapter I got: awesome!!!

I am very happy so far....I will try some " red ants in underwear" shots and see if PAL behaves differently
 
Daniel L. said:
I'm not sure I understand the relevance of this.. As opposed to what? People have been shooting narrative work with the 5D & D90 since 2008.
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It's a standalone statement. If anyone's hyper-defensive over their choice of camera they may want to turn the other cheek. Seems like Nikon and Canon owners are QUICK to the defense around here.
 
Daniel L. said:
I'm not sure I understand the relevance of this.. As opposed to what? People have been shooting narrative work with the 5D & D90 since 2008.
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Where'd the 5D or D90 come from? Kholi said "when the cameras hit, you'll see people shooting with them." Meaning, there'll be lots of footage out there once there are lots of cameras out there for people to use.
 
Barry_Green said:
Where'd the 5D or D90 come from? Kholi said "when the cameras hit, you'll see people shooting with them." Meaning, there'll be lots of footage out there once there are lots of cameras out there for people to use.
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Sorry, must be just a misunderstanding on my part. For some time people here were under the impression that nobody was shooting narrative work with the other cameras. The other day I demonstrated how this was false.

When I read:
"When the Stateside GH-1's hit, people WILL be shooting narrative on it out of the box and you WILL see a plethora of Walk, not Talk."

I got the impression that it meant something else. Clearly I took it out of context.

Just one other thing, I don't mean to defend any camera. Only trying to provide a helpful post so people can make informed decisions. For what it's worth, my official position is that if you want a video camera, buy a "video camera".
 
you have to keep things in perspective the D90 is the most crippled cam (and I speak from first hand experience for a change) yet there is some fantastic work out there. The GH1 is a step up in some area's but I can't say I prefer the look of it because I haven't shot with it.
 
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that's what we call work for hire. The stuff that pays you...
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Thanks for explaining this. I was wondering why my clients were always throwing those hissy fits when I posted their footage on the internet.


I mean the narrative stuff you shot for the purpose of testing the camera.
 
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