Panasonic S1H Announcement Tuesday, August 27th

TheDingo said:
Steadicam Steadimate-S Aero 15 Arm & Aero Vest Kit

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I'm curious to see a review of this item from Steadicam. Will it make much of a difference ?
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I bet it works pretty well, almost all of the Steadicam stuff is functionally great, but in my mind, you've just turned your small, light, inexpensive,
fairly unobtrusive single handle gimbal back into a Steadicam, what's the point? Why not just buy a real Steadicam or Glidecam and be done with it?
It's funny how sometimes in solutions in our business, companies just end up going in circles.

I'm waiting for the FS7 MKIV to have a FF imager but located in a shoulder mount Betacam body. Perfect for shoulder mounted shooting,
essentially an smaller, lighter F900 with a single FF imager. That would be pretty funny.
 
ade4all said:
RAW is coming and will be free on the S1H (unlike Nikon if it ever happens...)

https://www.atomos.com/press-releases/atomos-panasonic-lumix
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This camera is looking better and better! Much of the footage I've seen so far looks amazing especially when the low data rate codec is considered, but now to have written confirmation that RAW is coming is fantastic. I doubt I would use it very often but it would be nice to have it.

Since they say the S1H will be outputting full frame RAW it looks like the RAW resolution will be in the 6K range. I think I am going to have to buy this camera.

Interestingly the press release only mentions the Ninja V, but I remember Atomos saying HDMI RAW capture will be coming to Shogun Inferno and Shogun 7. Hopefully that will still come to pass.

Atomos and Panasonic announce 35mm full frame RAW video over HDMI from the Lumix S1H to Ninja V
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puredrifting said:
I bet it works pretty well, almost all of the Steadicam stuff is functionally great, but in my mind, you've just turned your small, light, inexpensive,
fairly unobtrusive single handle gimbal back into a Steadicam, what's the point? Why not just buy a real Steadicam or Glidecam and be done with it?
It's funny how sometimes in solutions in our business, companies just end up going in circles.
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Not sure if you were really asking.

Intertia.

The smaller steadicams struggle with being so light weight, that controlling motion becomes finicky. The gimbal fixes that. So you get a loght weight rig, with the same smoothness as a big heavy rig.

Ofcourse the gimbal removes some tactile operating skills, but the end result is still a light weight rig that can go low to high mode and with rock steady hrizons.
 
James0b57 said:
Not sure if you were really asking.

Intertia.

The smaller steadicams struggle with being so light weight, that controlling motion becomes finicky. The gimbal fixes that. So you get a loght weight rig, with the same smoothness as a big heavy rig.

Of course the gimbal removes some tactile operating skills, but the end result is still a light weight rig that can go low to high mode and with rock steady hrizons.
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But it's still going to have the same crappy, robotic gimbal movement, unless you are going to lock your gimbal and just use the arm and vest for all panning (and tilting?) movement. Is that the idea??

I use my gimbal because it's the best solution with cost, portability and ease of use and lack of fine movement skill needed for what I am using it for
but the movement for panning/tilting looks like Robbie the Robot shot it. For an occasional walking and tracking or serving as a non-tripod tripod, it's good but for actually trying to do smooth, organic movement, Steadicam all day.

This just seems like the worst of both worlds to me, single hand gimbals are sub par compared to real, high-end gimbals like a MoVI and wearing a big, honking Steadicam vest and arm using a $500.00 gimbal is subpar to using a real Steadicam.
I only have a little experience being a Steadicam Op and it's difficult and quite a skill but I just see this as a weird, counterintuitve solution for most users. If I'm producing a real shoot with a budget and want to shoot killer movement, I'm hiring a
Steadicam Pro with a real rig and if I am just grabbing a shot here and there with a single handed gimbal, this seems like overkill and wearing the vest and having the arm is a hassle and makes you stand out in the real world in a way that a single
hand gimbal alone never would. On a set, who cares? But shooting events, weddings, documentary, this would attract a lot more attention to what you are doing, which is usually a negative.

But if it appeals to you, go for it! Just my take on it.
 
docmoore said:
The Raw to the Atomos will differ from the EVA1 in that it will be limited to 4K due to HDMI spec limitations.
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Since there's no real standard for transmitting RAW video over HDMI, I don't think the resolutions in the HDMI specifications are really a limiting factor. What matters more are the bandwidth limits of the HDMI specs, but HDMI 2.0 has more than enough bandwidth for 6K or even 8K RAW video (at up to 30 fps).

HDMI 2.0 has a maximum bandwidth of 18 Gbps, although due to 8b/10b encoding there is only 14.4 Gbps of usable video bandwidth. 12-bit RAW 6K video at 30fps (at the approx. 6000 x 4000 3:2 full sensor aspect ratio of the S1H) would only use 8.6 Gbps of bandwidth.

Or thinking about it another way, HDMI 2.0 is capable of transmitting 4K video at 16-bit RGB color sampling up to 30 fps. But with a single chip Bayer sensor, RAW video only has one sample per pixel. So, you could fit 3 RAW pixel values in the space of a single RGB pixel of the HDMI spec. So 24 megapixels RAW (full sensor readout on the S1H) is actually slightly fewer sample values than the 8.8 megapixels of 4K RGB video (8.8 x 3 = 26.5 samples total). To make this work, would mostly just require remapping or reinterpreting what each of the different values mean in the HDMI data stream. But since it's a custom format anyway, as long as the electronics at both ends of the HDMI cable agree on what the format is, they can still send and receive the video data using standard HDMI sender and receiver chips and reinterpret the values as needed.

Something similar likely had to be done for the RAW output of the EVA1 over its 6G SDI port. Because the SDI specifications only really include standard broadcast resolutions and frame rates, up to 4K (2160p) at 30fps for 6G SDI; there is no standard mapping for the 5.7K RAW output by the EVA1. And in some ways the 6 Gbps bandwidth limit of the 6G SDI port is more constraining than an HDMI 2.0 port. For example, uncompressed 6K x 4K (3:2) 10-bit RAW wouldn't be possible over 6G SDI.

So while it's possible that the RAW output from the S1H may be limited in some way, this probably wouldn't be due to the usage of HDMI for transmission.
 
I watched the B+H and DP review videos.. or skimmed them.

DPR seems mucho out of focus. Full frame needs F4, any narrow DOF (including S35) needs a decent monitor or professional puller.

Colour seemed green - the third S1H green video Ive seen :)

B+H had some right horrors going down with the blue channel clipping.

Jello was observable when DPR tripod shook in the wind.

I didnt see any cinematic shots!

THe panasonic video is basically not focussed on the subject.

Bad camera or bad shooters. The latter I think but nothing made me go "I want this"!

ohh and carppy AF
 
morgan_moore said:
I watched the B+H and DP review videos.. or skimmed them.

DPR seems mucho out of focus. Full frame needs F4, any narrow DOF (including S35) needs a decent monitor or professional puller.

Colour seemed green - the third S1H green video Ive seen :)

B+H had some right horrors going down with the blue channel clipping.

Jello was observable when DPR tripod shook in the wind.

I didnt see any cinematic shots!

THe panasonic video is basically not focussed on the subject.

Bad camera or bad shooters. The latter I think but nothing made me go "I want this"!

ohh and carppy AF
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I thought you were trolling with this comment, but Panasonic should be pay B&H to take that video down. Either that or Sony paid B&H to create that video.
 
morgan_moore said:
Nah I was just trying to bring it round to this camera rather than a general pros and cons of 'DSLR's
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Well I think those promo videos are more an example of how you can have all the camera specs you desire at the lowest price you can afford, but you can still end up with a mess if you don't use the camera correctly. The couple thousand dollars you save by buying a DSLR over a video camera becomes negligible when you consider to properly crew and light a shoot so that any of those camera specs matter.
 
cpreston said:
Well I think those promo videos are more an example of how you can have all the camera specs you desire at the lowest price you can afford, but you can still end up with a mess if you don't use the camera correctly. The couple thousand dollars you save by buying a DSLR over a video camera becomes negligible when you consider to properly crew and light a shoot so that any of those camera specs matter.
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^ Well said. It just seems that the information on how to "properly crew & light" - and perhaps, dare I say - budget for - shoots has become as rare as the VHS / DVD "master". Which seems to be another reason manufacturers keep presenting us with these dslr form factors - which seem to be more geared to one or two person crews.
 
davedv said:
So while it's possible that the RAW output from the S1H may be limited in some way, this probably wouldn't be due to the usage of HDMI for transmission.
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That would be great ... not a fan of H.265 420 .... and while I have the camera pre-ordered ... not sure that the limitations of my P6K are not more in
line with my needs ... although stabilization and high ISO do look good.
 
indiawilds said:
Can you use EF mount lenses via some adapter to S1H?
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Yes, Sigma has the MC-21 EF to L-mount adapter for using EF mount lenses on Panasonic L-mount cameras (like the S1H):
https://www.sigmaphoto.com/mount-converter-mc-21

The MC-21 adapter only supports single shot autofocus (continuous autofocus is not currently supported). It does allow use of lens image stabilization (for stabilized lenses), although for adapted lenses you have to choose between lens stabilization and in-body stabilization (IBIS). There is no dual IS support like there is with native Panasonic lenses.
 
^^ same as GH5. And likewise, body only is very good - to the point where I don’t feel Dual IS adds all that much. Except maybe in extreme telephoto cases.
 
davedv said:
Yes, Sigma has the MC-21 EF to L-mount adapter for using EF mount lenses on Panasonic L-mount cameras (like the S1H):
https://www.sigmaphoto.com/mount-converter-mc-21

The MC-21 adapter only supports single shot autofocus (continuous autofocus is not currently supported). It does allow use of lens image stabilization (for stabilized lenses), although for adapted lenses you have to choose between lens stabilization and in-body stabilization (IBIS). There is no dual IS support like there is with native Panasonic lenses.
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Thanks. Have way too many EF lenses. The footage from S1H looks fine. However the camera looks bigger than the Blackmagic 6K. But the tilting screen is far more usable. Nevertheless will have to test and think carefully.
 
indiawilds said:
Thanks. Have way too many EF lenses. The footage from S1H looks fine. However the camera looks bigger than the Blackmagic 6K. But the tilting screen is far more usable. Nevertheless will have to test and think carefully.
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Having held both the S1H and the BMPCC4K, I’d say they are comparable in size. The BM feels less secure, but almost equal the bulk.
 
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