EVA1: Panasonic AU-EVA1! Announcement and latest updates

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graywolf said:
Maybe I am misunderstanding something, or maybe some of you guys are.

The EVA1 is quoted as weighting 2.63 lbs, that is closer to 3 than the 2 people keep saying. The stripped LT is supposedly 2.4 lbs heavier. That comes out to 5.3 lbs in my math.

EVA1 under $8000, stripped LT $14000. Now if you add those $10000 worth of accessories to both you get $24000 14 lb LT. or an $18000 12 lb EVA1. Lenses are going to add $10000 to $50000 to those prices.

The actual savings seem to be minor, 2 lbs and $6000 off, maybe a $50000 total for the Varicam LT.

So what am I missing here, in an apples to apples comparison?
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I think that the thing with these cameras are that the accessories usually are more heavy:
The control panel for the LT is heavier (I'm pretty sure) than the LCD for the EVA1.
The P2 cards are heavier than SD cards.
The handgrip (including extension) for the LT is probably heavier than the one for EVA1.

This is also just a guess, but I think that when you buy a more expensive camera you'll probably also buy more pro grade accessories (like EVF) while the EVA1 can be used with a loupe. Yes, the LT can be stripped down and the EVA1 can be kitted so that it weighs "a ton" but let's say you're using it on a quadcopter or in/on a car, then those few pounds and smaller size make a difference. Also, if you're using the EVA1 as a B-camera for the LT and the EVA1 is just sitting on a tripod, you don't have to have many accessories, just set the framing, press record and go back to the LT.

But, if you're looking for a camera with a full kit and the same accessories, of course the price difference will only be the camera body (and media). The more accessories you add, the less the relative price difference will be (and this of course applies to all cameras).
 
Justinec101 said:
Yes if you add $60,000 of stuff to the Eva the savings ratio decreases.
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My point was that you seem to be buying a stripped camera for that $8K, if you bring them up to the same spec's they are not that much different in price (10% instead of 100%). And the difference in weight is only 2-2.5 lbs.

Since both cameras are way way out of my range, it is only curiosity on on my part, but I would like to know if I am misunderstanding something here.
 
Thanks, Milan, I see that I am thinking in terms of an A camera, while you guys are thinking in terms of a C camera. Of course if you already have a system or two, you already have the accessories (Just stick your super wide angle on the drone camera). Still it seems like an awful lot to pay for something to use in place of a Hero. Still, if you have a ten million dollar budget, I guess the price of the equipment does not matter much.
 
If you were replying to someone who was doing so, then I missed that. Seems to me anybody buying one of these is probably not speccing it to the degree of an LT anyway. And like he said above, accessories for an LT are going to be heavier and more expensive so the price/weight difference is still not as tight.
 
Yea...if I bought the EVA1 at $8K (if that was the price), the final cost of my kit would be $8500 (cards and batteries).

Pricing isn't comparable to the LT IMO...especially for those who already own EF lenses.
 
graywolf said:
Thanks, Milan, I see that I am thinking in terms of an A camera, while you guys are thinking in terms of a C camera. Of course if you already have a system or two, you already have the accessories (Just stick your super wide angle on the drone camera). Still it seems like an awful lot to pay for something to use in place of a Hero. Still, if you have a ten million dollar budget, I guess the price of the equipment does not matter much.
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Well, I'm not saying it has to be used as a B or C camera, I'm saying it can be used as one and then you can get away with less accessories. You can still use it as an A camera and still have a much lighter package. As I mentioned it's most likely that someone who buys the EVA1 won't have to spend as much on accessories. I don't know what the media for the EVA1 costs, but I know that the P2 cards for the LT don't come for free. :)
The LT is more likely to be used with heavier glass, even though it can be used with stills glass (that's the way I use it, I'm saving to get a cine zoom or primes), and if so it'll probably need a more beefy tripod or a steadicam that can take more weight, and so on.

So yes, if one looks at it the way you do the difference isn't big, but for most people it will. The Varicam LT with EVF, handgrip and P2 cards will cost much, much more than an EVA1 with the "same" accessories.
 
NorBro said:
Yea...if I bought the EVA1 at $8K (if that was the price), the final cost of my kit would be $8500 (cards and batteries).

Pricing isn't comparable to the LT IMO...especially for those who already own EF lenses.
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The same for me, I probably already own everything else needed.
 
graywolf said:
Maybe I am misunderstanding something, or maybe some of you guys are.

The EVA1 is quoted as weighting 2.63 lbs, that is closer to 3 than the 2 people keep saying. The stripped LT is supposedly 2.4 lbs heavier. That comes out to 5.3 lbs in my math.

EVA1 under $8000, stripped LT $14000. Now if you add those $10000 worth of accessories to both you get $24000 14 lb LT. or an $18000 12 lb EVA1. Lenses are going to add $10000 to $50000 to those prices.

The actual savings seem to be minor, 2 lbs and $6000 off, maybe a $50000 total for the Varicam LT.

So what am I missing here, in an apples to apples comparison?
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First off, EVA1 comes with accessories such as handgrip and LCD screen for the under $8000 price, so all you need to add is SD cards and a lens to start shooting. It takes a bit more to make the VariCam LT functional.

But I don't understand what you're comparing. Is it weight or price? Because you are mixing and matching them freely here and that simply doesn't make sense. It's not like we're talking about different sized bags of rice. There's a lot more to the differences in the cameras other than their physical weight and the price points.
 
graywolf said:
My point was that you seem to be buying a stripped camera for that $8K, if you bring them up to the same spec's they are not that much different in price (10% instead of 100%). And the difference in weight is only 2-2.5 lbs.

Since both cameras are way way out of my range, it is only curiosity on on my part, but I would like to know if I am misunderstanding something here.
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That is incorrect. For instance, the EVA1 uses very small camcorder batteries that only weigh a few ounces while the VariCam lT requires larger bricks that weigh more. The VariCam LT is also generally used with our viewfinder, which is much bigger and heavier than the LCD included with the EVA1. They are different cales of camera. I mean, I guess in theory one could choose to add the VariCam LT's viewfinder to the EVA1 (it would work), but I don't see many people doing it. It's 3/4 of the price of the camera and at least 1/2 the size & weight.
 
graywolf said:
Thanks, Milan, I see that I am thinking in terms of an A camera, while you guys are thinking in terms of a C camera. Of course if you already have a system or two, you already have the accessories (Just stick your super wide angle on the drone camera). Still it seems like an awful lot to pay for something to use in place of a Hero. Still, if you have a ten million dollar budget, I guess the price of the equipment does not matter much.
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The quality and control of the image is vastly greater than what's possible from a Hero. The EVA1 can be used as an A-camera without building it up to a scale that is unaffordable or overly heavy. It all depends on the kind of work you do and the accessories that make sense for you.

Cameras are not all one thing. There are ways to set u a VariCam LT that are big or small, just like on the EVA1. There are types of productions where one camera is more appropriate than the other, and I'm talking about using either camera as the A-camera. Not every job is the same, not every camera is the same. I can see serious clients choosing wither camera system where appropriate.
 
Retrospective said:
Source: http://www.dgtlconcepts.co.uk/2017/06/panasonic-au-eva1-rumours/

Too much misinformation out there even within Panasonic?
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Not sure where he pulled that info from. The specs do not say that at all and whoever wrote the article has a serious comprehension problem by blurring together two bullet points.

Panasonic did not put out misinformation. Those are clearly two different bullet points meaning the camera can do up to 4k 60p and the camera can do up to 10bit 4:2:2. Those bullets in no way shape or form indicate those two things will always be together. Thats why they are two different bullets and not a single line that says 4k 60 at 10bit.

It was the article that mistook the specs and jumped to conclusions right away with bold statements like "All but confirmed".
 
Mitch Gross said:
That's a rumor site, and in fact the headline to the article even notes this (British so spelled "rumour"). In other words, don't accept everything at face value, as much of this is just the author's assumptions. In fact he even says so numerous times.
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Mitch I believe you! :)
 
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