PAL vs NTSC ..... who can explain?

i've read a lot about this 1440 vs 1280 resolution difference. is it true? is it noticeable? is 720p exactly the same between the 2 models in term of resolution and color?
is it a difference in resolution or does it have something to do with color? i mean, is the color the same between pal and ntsc models?
well, a lot of music videos and movies are shot in 24fps. and they are just speed up a bit to achieve pal 25p here. light flickering can be resolved with the synchroscan function. the HVX is 110/220V. no problem. so i think that owning a ntsc HVX in europe is like owning a 16mm camera, right?
24p footages are nice on the web. and if you need to broadcast on tv, you just have to speedup like everybody is doing here. and for film it's perfect.
a lot of people are saying that 24p and 25p are the same but as we are all used to videos on tv, the web etc, a lot of people can notice the difference i think.
and i noticed that a 25p footage looks "25p" when exported to 24p. and a 24p video has this "24p" look in a 25p export ....
 
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So What will I do when I would want to send NTSC DVD to US for film festivals?

I am reading all other places..people say that coverting from PAL/NTSC or vise-versa takes away the quality..want to know how far is this true...

-Vivek
 
It's generally better to go from PAL to NTSC than the other way, since your'e going from a larger frame to a smaller. ProCoder is generally supposed to do a pretty good job of conversion if you need to.
Dave
 
daveswan said:
It's generally better to go from PAL to NTSC than the other way, since your'e going from a larger frame to a smaller. ProCoder is generally supposed to do a pretty good job of conversion if you need to.
Dave
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is true for SD, but not for HD. and i think it's better to speed up from 24p to 25p than slowing down from 25p to 24p.....
 
now here is the thing..if i choose to shoot in HD and choose to use 24fps, which i would be using for recording ..then will it be an issue?
ok so my recording rate is 24 and play back rate is 25(PAL). is this what you are saying? so in that case if speed up 4% will that do..will everything look fine?

so what do you people say finally:
should i or should I not go for a NTSC model in a PAL region?

-thanks
Vivek
 
Same question here. When converting 24 frames to 25, will be footage look as smooth as 24p? How this one extra frame is generated and what is the smoothest method to do that? Thanks
 
Incase: There is no "extra" frame. You just speed up the footage from 24 to 25 frames per second. That's it. You don't blend the frames or something like that.

In PAL Land we are watching movies that way ever since TV was invented. Every DVD in PAL Land is produced that way. Frame by Frame scanning. That way stuttering is unknown in PAL Land unlike the 3:2 pulldown thingy in NTSC.

Bottomline: In PAL country you buy a PAL camera or you will be doomed. Period.

Peter
 
augenblick said:
Incase: There is no "extra" frame. You just speed up the footage from 24 to 25 frames per second. That's it. You don't blend the frames or something like that.

In PAL Land we are watching movies that way ever since TV was invented. Every DVD in PAL Land is produced that way. Frame by Frame scanning. That way stuttering is unknown in PAL Land unlike the 3:2 pulldown thingy in NTSC.

Bottomline: In PAL country you buy a PAL camera or you will be doomed. Period.

Peter
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would a guy with a 16mm be doomed in a PAL country? i don't thinnk so.
and Bluray readers (the PS3 for example) are 24p in Pal lands too. i think that the NTSC model is a good oportunity for an indie filmaker and music video maker. 20 to 30% cheaper (including all the differents export taxes). better slowmo. film and bluray direct compatibility. 24p to 25p possibility without loss of quality (you're right, every dvd is done that way here in europe). the possibility to use 30p for web diffusion. i dont really understand what kind of problem we can encounter in PAL land with NTSC model. TVs are PAL/NTSC. where is the doom? :)
 
A 16mm camera is 24/25p switchable. (ARRI 16SR2) All TV-Series in Europe (ALL!) are produced in 25p.

You produce a music video in 24p. Cool. Then it has to be transcoded to PAL before airing. But now the band is yelling at you because the song runs to fast!

Buy a NTSC camera and try to rent it out to someone here. Try to make a sale to an european TV station. TV in europe is PAL. That is your market.

You wanna shot for cinema. Fine. 1'000 People will watch your film on the big screen and 100'000 on TV and DVD.

I know guys that bought an NTSC HVX here in europe and then desperately and without any luck tried to sell it because NTSC is a total no go over here.

Who is your customer. Cinema, BluRay or DVD and good old european 50i TV?

That's my my opinion as a professional videoproducer (for 20 years now).

But please: Prove me wrong.

Peter
 
Hmm...it is getting hot as the days are passing and more and more people joining this discussion..till yesterday reading some NTSC pro posts i was thinking to buy a NTSC model..but today morning things are shaking again..lets read what other have to say...
thanks every one for pouring down valuable information.
 
One more thing. In DVCPRO-HD 1080 the "PAL" version records more pixel: 1440 x 1080 with a pixel aspect ratio of 1.333, while the "NTSC" version records 1280 x 1080 pixel with a pixel aspect ratio of 1.5

In 720p they both record 960 x 720 pixel with an aspect ration of 1.333

Peter
 
augenblick said:
One more thing. In DVCPRO-HD 1080 the "PAL" version records more pixel: 1440 x 1080 with a pixel aspect ratio of 1.333, while the "NTSC" version records 1280 x 1080 pixel with a pixel aspect ratio of 1.5

In 720p they both record 960 x 720 pixel with an aspect ration of 1.333

Peter
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is the color system the same for both pal and ntsc hvx?
 
The answer is so simple it's nearly painful that there's even a discussion going on. If you're producing footage to be used in PAL territories, get the PAL model. If you're producing footage to be used in NTSC territories, get the NTSC model.
 
Barry_Green said:
The answer is so simple it's nearly painful that there's even a discussion going on. If you're producing footage to be used in PAL territories, get the PAL model. If you're producing footage to be used in NTSC territories, get the NTSC model.
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simple answer for u american folks i guess.
HPX500 is more than 20.000$ here in france. a bit more than 11.000$ in the US.
After Effects CS3 is 2400$ here, 950$ in the US.
the HVX200 with a 16Go P2 card is 8900$ in my country. 5200 in yours.
just some example to explain u why some people here in europe would consider to buy some NTSC devices even if it's some more work to deal with.
We have all the american TV shows, movies, music videos here. nobody's complaining because it's speeded up. Even the radios are speeding up music to make it more punchy.
 
the "difference?" clip and scacciapensieri clip are both 25p. I do not think you can distinguish 25p and 24p especially not if 25p is converted to 24p or vice versa. I also would strongly suggest to get a PAL model if you are in PAL country. I experience this thing now the other way round since I moved to the US. I already was thinking about selling my PAL HVX in order to get a NTSC HVX. If somebody asks you to shoot something and you have to deliver the tapes or give them copies of what you have filmed right after the shoot you have a big problem. You can not tell them uhhmmm... since I have a PAL camera you have to convert the footage before you can view it on a television...

http://cordvision.com/english/media.html
 
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