pookie_old
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vjbrennan said:
Doesn't that mean we want to marry our mothers?
Whoops, wrong boy,
again....whoops.....
sometimes I scare myself with these....
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Doesn't that mean we want to marry our mothers?
Whoops, wrong boy,
again....whoops.....
sometimes I scare myself with these....
Jim Brennan
VHS Member Old Skool
I have read. Volumes. I've also experienced it first hand.
Edit: In fact, as I sit here and look to my left I noticed a bookshelf in my office. I counted 127 books on various aspects of psychology and psychiatry. They cover grief counseling, biological psychiatry, deviant psychology, drug and alcohol addiction, psychotherapy, educational psychology, neurologic issues in psychiatry...on and on. And some of these are very critical analyses, like the aforementione "Freudian Fraud", which don't always shine a pleasant light on the psychiatric world. I have read, in whole or in part, all of these books. And more.
I made a quest earlier in the year to find and view the formerly banned "Titticut Follies" for a view of psychiatric inpatient life in decades past, and I was appalled, but not surprised at what I found. I also (as previously mentioned) worked for 4 years, in 2 separate cities in different institutions ranging from acute inpatient psychiatric care, to depressed army recruiters, to convicted felons, to adolescents in a short term program.
You?
Edit: In fact, as I sit here and look to my left I noticed a bookshelf in my office. I counted 127 books on various aspects of psychology and psychiatry. They cover grief counseling, biological psychiatry, deviant psychology, drug and alcohol addiction, psychotherapy, educational psychology, neurologic issues in psychiatry...on and on. And some of these are very critical analyses, like the aforementione "Freudian Fraud", which don't always shine a pleasant light on the psychiatric world. I have read, in whole or in part, all of these books. And more.
I made a quest earlier in the year to find and view the formerly banned "Titticut Follies" for a view of psychiatric inpatient life in decades past, and I was appalled, but not surprised at what I found. I also (as previously mentioned) worked for 4 years, in 2 separate cities in different institutions ranging from acute inpatient psychiatric care, to depressed army recruiters, to convicted felons, to adolescents in a short term program.
You?
pookie_old
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You know, Paris Hilton considers herself to be an actress.
That doesn't mean she is one.
Think about it there Elvis.
That doesn't mean she is one.
Think about it there Elvis.
GenJerDan
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Elvis said:
No, he didn't. The C of Scientology did.
However, even they are not completely wrong in this matter, if they're talking about grammar school nurses prescribing Ritilin.
Look...unless the Soviets overflew the States just before the end of the Cold War, spraying something to cause mutation in our children, there is no need to have such a large percentage of little kids on drugs.
Then again, maybe it's just Life imitating Art...there have been an awful lot of zombie movies lately...
Dan
Wow, you've read a lot vjbrennan! I can't say I've read nearly as much.
I think the problem lies in a misconception of medications purpose. Medication, in my mind, isn't the answer but a means of achieving the answer. It's all part of a larger game plan. Medication helps break a person from the deepest parts of depression and allows psychotherapy and self analysis to provide meaningful results. It doesn't solve the problem itself. That takes effort on both the patient and the therapists sides.
I think the problem lies in a misconception of medications purpose. Medication, in my mind, isn't the answer but a means of achieving the answer. It's all part of a larger game plan. Medication helps break a person from the deepest parts of depression and allows psychotherapy and self analysis to provide meaningful results. It doesn't solve the problem itself. That takes effort on both the patient and the therapists sides.
Jim Brennan
VHS Member Old Skool
There is no doubt in my mind that psychiatric based medication is too often used as a crutch; a quick fix. Part of the blame for that lies with the drug companies, part of it lies with the psychiatrists, and part of that lies with us as a society. It is, as you point out, sometimes a piece of the solution, but not the solution itself. But it can be a valuable and necessary tool at times. But, people have a right to believe what they want.
Pookie I did not know Paris could even read. L.O.L.
Show me one drug that "cures" anything. Masking a symptom is not a cure.
I myself come from a nutrition point of view. Did you know a doctor does not have to take one nutrition class to become a doctor? Sorry to say I know nothing about Scientology. Medicine is "big" business. So is the food industry with all the crap they sell that they call food. No on is going to shut these guys down until more people speak out. Give me proper nutrition and Tony Robbins and I'm set! I've seen both work miracle's with people.
Show me one drug that "cures" anything. Masking a symptom is not a cure.
I myself come from a nutrition point of view. Did you know a doctor does not have to take one nutrition class to become a doctor? Sorry to say I know nothing about Scientology. Medicine is "big" business. So is the food industry with all the crap they sell that they call food. No on is going to shut these guys down until more people speak out. Give me proper nutrition and Tony Robbins and I'm set! I've seen both work miracle's with people.
Lauer "interviewed" Madonna a couple weeks ago, and you could tell she wanted to strangle his lame ass. She was trying to talk about her childrens books, which granted, is kind of comical/ ironic, but still, people change... whatever... He just couldn't stop talking about her leather outfits, her sexuality photo book from the 80s or whatever. I mean he couldn't stop! He is SOOO ****ing obnoxious. I'm surprised she let it air. I seriously thought she was going to stand up and punch him and walk off. He sits there with that smug, stupid, superior look on his face, acting like everyone gives a **** what he has to say, interupting everything the interviewee says. The only reason I have to watch the NBC drivel is because my wife likes the show, and likes "Katie." God, what a way to have to start the day, watching those two stumps. Oh well, on the positive side, the day can only get better from there.
Jim Brennan
VHS Member Old Skool
Elvis said:
Ever hear of Pennicillin?
Yes, I was aware of that fact regarding doctors and nutrition. My life is filled with visits to cardiologists, neurologists, ENTs, pediatricians, and general practitioners because of my sons disability. A lot of the doctors we have encountered are idiots, but many are not. Medicine, despite popular opinion, is not an exact science, and a good doctor tells you that. But it isn't some sort of shakedown either, when taken as a whole. Yes it's big business; yes there are enethical people in the medical field. That doesn't mean that pharmacology, psychiatry and medicine don't work.
And FWIW, I've also read everything Tony Robbins ever wrote (that I know of, anyway) and am a big fan of his approach, if not all of his methods. I've also read Denis Waitley, Zig Ziglar, Og Mandino, James Allen, Dale Carnegie, etc. Lots of good stuff there. But I'm pretty sure they all have (or had) doctors.
J.R. Hudson
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I honestly admit I had no idea who he was until this Cruise interview; I had heard the name but thought he was a talk show host or some crap.
All these reporter types are lame.
All these reporter types are lame.
pookie_old
Veteran
This thread needs a good shrink, and some medication.
There's definitely an imbalance going on here.
There's definitely an imbalance going on here.
Jim Brennan
VHS Member Old Skool
No, of course not. But it kills the infection when your body can't. YOu are therefore cured of that infection. It's an invader and penicillin gets rid of it.
I won't argue against the value of nutrition (which is far too often overlooked) and allowing the body to heal itself, which it can often do just fine. I myself rarely take any medication (although the summers are rough without benadryl for my allergies). The medical community has gotten a major comeuppance of late in regards to antibiotics. They were overprescribed for far too long, and we have seen resistant strains of infection appearing in the past few years, largely due to that mistake.
But here's a for instance. My daughter had viral encephalitis last year. It was so bad, we rushed her to the emergency room because we thought she'd had a stroke. They figured out it was encephalitis, caused by a virus. But they didn't medicate her for it, with the exception of ibuprofen to reduce the fever (which, left unchecked, would have killed her). The neurologist was very frank that they were shooting in the dark, but the best chance she had was rest, plenty of fluids and letting her body fight it off. Which it did, thank God. We have found many doctors like this. Our kids pediatrician was threatened with a lawsuit because he would not prescribe antibiotics to a kid who didn't need them. There are good ones out there.
I trult respect and agree with much of your POV here. Please, understand that. But as for how we differ, let me tell you how I form an opinion. I look at both sides of an argument. Not by hearsay, or the opinions of others, but by doing my own research. I seek out opposing points of view and find out where they did their research and then I look into that. After I begin to form an opinion, then I bring it to others that I respect as critical thinkers. They then challenge me, sometimes even if they agree, but playing devils' advocate to see how strong my argument (Sorry Hudson, but having a good devil's advocate is a helpful thing). Finally, I go back what originally sparked my interest, and reimmerse myself in that to see if the original context holds true. Then I have an opinion. But still, it is an opinion.
My personal belief is that an opinion isn't really yours until it has been challenged and you have been able to defend it, citing multiple objective resources (or, as objective as possible). Until then you are merely repeating a conglomeration of other people's opinions. I am not saying that you are doing that. I just thought it important for you to know where I am coming from.
In this case, I have studied the aforementioned books on psych, read even more books than that on human potential (Tony Robbins, et al) researched and been treated in chiropractic, studied nutrition and physiology, looked into kinesiology and accupuncture, and debated extensively with psychologists, psychiatrists, therapists, physicians chiroprators and pharmacists. That's where I get my opinion from.
Here's a good resource for "critical thinking" Again, I don't agree with everything there, but it's always a good place for me to get started into any research I do.
http://www.randi.org/
I want to leave this debate with the best of feelings. I enjoy this type of thing very much. It is however, difficult to do in this format. There is not enough alcohol, for starters :beer: Agree or disagree, I always reespect those willing to stand up for what they believe.
Thanks for the courtesy.
I won't argue against the value of nutrition (which is far too often overlooked) and allowing the body to heal itself, which it can often do just fine. I myself rarely take any medication (although the summers are rough without benadryl for my allergies). The medical community has gotten a major comeuppance of late in regards to antibiotics. They were overprescribed for far too long, and we have seen resistant strains of infection appearing in the past few years, largely due to that mistake.
But here's a for instance. My daughter had viral encephalitis last year. It was so bad, we rushed her to the emergency room because we thought she'd had a stroke. They figured out it was encephalitis, caused by a virus. But they didn't medicate her for it, with the exception of ibuprofen to reduce the fever (which, left unchecked, would have killed her). The neurologist was very frank that they were shooting in the dark, but the best chance she had was rest, plenty of fluids and letting her body fight it off. Which it did, thank God. We have found many doctors like this. Our kids pediatrician was threatened with a lawsuit because he would not prescribe antibiotics to a kid who didn't need them. There are good ones out there.
I trult respect and agree with much of your POV here. Please, understand that. But as for how we differ, let me tell you how I form an opinion. I look at both sides of an argument. Not by hearsay, or the opinions of others, but by doing my own research. I seek out opposing points of view and find out where they did their research and then I look into that. After I begin to form an opinion, then I bring it to others that I respect as critical thinkers. They then challenge me, sometimes even if they agree, but playing devils' advocate to see how strong my argument (Sorry Hudson, but having a good devil's advocate is a helpful thing). Finally, I go back what originally sparked my interest, and reimmerse myself in that to see if the original context holds true. Then I have an opinion. But still, it is an opinion.
My personal belief is that an opinion isn't really yours until it has been challenged and you have been able to defend it, citing multiple objective resources (or, as objective as possible). Until then you are merely repeating a conglomeration of other people's opinions. I am not saying that you are doing that. I just thought it important for you to know where I am coming from.
In this case, I have studied the aforementioned books on psych, read even more books than that on human potential (Tony Robbins, et al) researched and been treated in chiropractic, studied nutrition and physiology, looked into kinesiology and accupuncture, and debated extensively with psychologists, psychiatrists, therapists, physicians chiroprators and pharmacists. That's where I get my opinion from.
Here's a good resource for "critical thinking" Again, I don't agree with everything there, but it's always a good place for me to get started into any research I do.
http://www.randi.org/
I want to leave this debate with the best of feelings. I enjoy this type of thing very much. It is however, difficult to do in this format. There is not enough alcohol, for starters :beer: Agree or disagree, I always reespect those willing to stand up for what they believe.
Thanks for the courtesy.
pookie_old
Veteran
Cool, everyone agrees to disagree, such is life.
When everyone agree's with everything, then we're in trouble.
When everyone agree's with everything, then we're in trouble.
PK Gillock said:
I have always wondered how much of a role sugar plays in all this. The north american diet especially when it comes to children seems to be loaded with sugar. I would be interested to know if children in thialand consume as much sugar as their north american counterparts.
Jim Brennan
VHS Member Old Skool
Must...resist....
But I can't
From Merriam Webster, the definition of "cure":
1. Restoration of health; recovery from disease.
2. A method or course of medical treatment used to restore health.
3. An agent, such as a drug, that restores health; a remedy.
4. Something that corrects or relieves a harmful or disturbing situation: The cats proved to be a good cure for our mouse problem.
5. Ecclesiastical. Spiritual charge or care, as of a priest for a congregation.
6. The office or duties of a curate.
7. The act or process of preserving a product.
Nothing in that definition implies something won't or can't return. You can heal from a knife wound, that doesn't mean you can't get stabbed again.
But I can't
From Merriam Webster, the definition of "cure":
1. Restoration of health; recovery from disease.
2. A method or course of medical treatment used to restore health.
3. An agent, such as a drug, that restores health; a remedy.
4. Something that corrects or relieves a harmful or disturbing situation: The cats proved to be a good cure for our mouse problem.
5. Ecclesiastical. Spiritual charge or care, as of a priest for a congregation.
6. The office or duties of a curate.
7. The act or process of preserving a product.
Nothing in that definition implies something won't or can't return. You can heal from a knife wound, that doesn't mean you can't get stabbed again.
Jim Brennan
VHS Member Old Skool
Mino said:
I think that sugars, including processed flours, play a huge role in that, as well as other disorders. Dr Andrew Weil's book is good resource on that, IIRC.