P2 just got so much more interesting

Urrr yes, with one minor problem. The fact that nobody has announced a Blu-Ray burner etc, and when they do can you imagine how much they would cost?!
 
i herd they are never going to release a consumer blu-ray burner....cause of all the movie piracy that is going on, they will not allow such an item to exist, ever.
 
I'm sure that they will make a burner. However it may not have dual layer capabilities at first perhaps. I'll bet it costs a heck of a lot too.
 
Simon, whenever someone comes along and gives some info which negates or at least alleviates some perceived problem with a P2 workflow, I notice you're usually the first one to pop in and throw a bucket of cold water on it. What's up with that?
 
Sony currently has it's blue ray professional line called XDCAM. Because of the blue laser smaller diameter, they will soon be getting up to 4 layers in a 27GB XDCAm, so about 100GB.

The consumer disc, although will run in the same technology, and probably in the same enclosure, will use a different formatting, different compression and will be uncompatible with the XDCAM discs. And they will be developing XDCAM HD, wich will use that lame MPG2 compression, kinda like HDV. The nice thing here is to use XDCAM for data, wich would really be a nice complement for a P2 production house.

Basically, shoot P2 and have it downloaded to a 100GB HD field drive, only to burn a 100GB data XDCAM disc with the dailies. It's getting really cool!
 
Jubal, I think you're perhaps a little too paranoid begging your pardon. These are my opinions on what is happening and if you don't like it that's fine. Just don't try and make out I have some kind of vendetta.

Blu-Ray as an archive format affects me whether I use P2 or not. You think I don't want a multiple layer 100gb disc storage solution?!

This is another case of a person being a realist and pointing out potential flaws to balance things out being labelled as having some kind of vendetta or issue. I suppose I had better not say anything about what might be the reality of the situation ever again. :(

Taubkin, There is a low level HD XDCAM that will be realeased soon. But this must not be mistaken with the 2/3" ccd/cmos XDCAM that will be released in 2 years time. Nobody knows what format the HD on these cameras will take. It will probably be a new version of IMX.

Now whether you guys think I am some kind of Sony rep (which I am not) with something against P2 I have news for you.

1. I am seriously considering the HVX200 as a second camera.
2. I work with XDCAM, a NLE camera, every day. I working with the sorts of features you will be getting on the HVX200 right now, today. P2 or XDCAM, they both share common ideas, and very similar functions. If you guys do not want my perspectives on what it is like to work with such things I will be happy to leave and go somewhere that does.
3. Because I work with such a camera I know full well the support problems from NLE editors etc and am very well able to point out the negatives as a result with regards to workflow and current editors capabilities.
 
Simon --

In my observation . . .

Simon Wyndham said:
I'm sure that they will make a burner. However it may not have dual layer capabilities at first perhaps. I'll bet it costs a heck of a lot too.
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. . . is a triviality (and a foregone conclusion) which strikes me as something that's a big deal only to those looking to make a big deal out of something. Yeah, it'll be expensive and limited at first. So what? Everything else is, too.

Just my opnion. I'm hardly looking to crucify you. I have no idea what your motivation is. I just think that perhaps you're trying a little too hard.

If not, then forgive me. :beer:
 
Well if you had actually read my original post you would have seen that I was replying to someone who said that there would NEVER be a Blu-Ray burner!!!
 
Why wouldn't there be Blu Ray or HD DVD burners? You think all these corporations who spent billions developing this technology wouldnt want our money? Its's supply and demand. Once there is a supply there will be demand. And the bigger the demand the cheaper the price eventually. The studios are not the ones developing the technology (except Sony) they are just providing the content. But for the developers, they could care less what we put on them, they just know we will put "data" on the media. Sure the studios want to protect themselves, but they will not hinder the manufacture and development of the actual media and hardware. They haven't so far.
 
Hey Simon, I value your opinion. And I think debate is a good thing. Usually when you've got decent folk arguing, ,shaking the trees so to speak, some good fruit drops off it.

Personally, for some of the HVX200 post-work flow I expect to be renting certain items, until the price drops, or my profits soar.

Renting a blu-ray burner for a day would fall into that category. Since I'm primarilly concerned with film archival, I can stick my footage on a HD, put it on a shelf, and when I have time archive it on a blu/ray (renting the deck for a day or two).

Any step in smoothing out the post workflow/distribution is a good thing in my opinion. I trust that if my creativity can't solve the problem, some other enterprising fellow will.

Also, with this new P2 workflow, there are some items you will have to purchase and others (traditional) that you don't. I feel for the guys who have to replace whole systems, yet HD is a new world. With it there willl be new requirements and discoveries and setbacks.

Keep shaking the trees Simon. If we get some fruit I'll share it with ya:)
 
On the whole, I'm glad you're a member of the community here, Simon.
You've had more hands-on with non linear aquisition than probably all of us combined, which
is saying a lot and it's probably true.. Just lighten up on the P2 devils advocate thing, bro!!
 
Rich Lee said:
i herd they are never going to release a consumer blu-ray burner....cause of all the movie piracy that is going on, they will not allow such an item to exist, ever.
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That would suck if this technology is held back due to fear of piracy. Who are "they"? The companies or governments? I don't believe any government should have the right to censor companies like that. Heh, don't mistake this for an anti-government post now, guys :).

-Evan
Oh I can hear it now! Evan, the Great Anti-Government Conspirator!
 
Read in a news statement from Apple that they're going to put Blu-ray in their new computers when it becomes avalible for the consumer. I know its avalible now but I'm sure they were talking about when it doesn't cost two arms and a leg.
 
I believe Dell has announced the same thing - I think the Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD is s non issue.

Regarding who is trying to prevent the release of this new technology, that would be the MPAA and the same studios who tried to stop magnetic tape being released to the consumer for the same reasons. They could not have been more wrong then and they are equially wrong today.

Several people have stated that this format war will be decided by the studios who own the content, which studios are those - Warner brothers with approximately 4000 films or the INA [French archieves] with almost five million hours of programing, the BBC with hundreds of thousands of hours of programming, India or Egypt with hundreds of thousands of films, or maybe even our own Library of Congress. I think Hollywood has approximately ten percent of the Worlds content, they should have ten percent of the influence on what standards get developed.

Either way, I'm just tired of hearing about the MPAA and Hollywood studios bitching about piracy. If they continue to use that excuse to justify their actions, they will lose billions in opportunity costs and we will all be wondering why more and more production is being done everywhere but in Hollywood. We live in a much smaller global community, we (Americans) had better learn how to compete and not allow a few studios and the MPAA to "regulate" competition.
 
The studios have seen what has happened to music. Music sales are down. I can go out to the net and get almost any song I want in minutes.

They are going to do what they can to prevent this from happening to films. I'm not saying they won't blow it royally, because they will. But this is their thinking. Releasing films ppv via the net scares the living sh*t out of them because these can be easily copied.
 
Zig_Zigman said:
The studios have seen what has happened to music. Music sales are down. I can go out to the net and get almost any song I want in minutes.

They are going to do what they can to prevent this from happening to films. I'm not saying they won't blow it royally, because they will. But this is their thinking. Releasing films ppv via the net scares the living sh*t out of them because these can be easily copied.
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This has what to do with Blu-Ray technology?

I can save pirated data to my harddrive or anywhere else I want to; these new disks won't suddenly make it easier to pirate.

As for music sales being down, blame the overly high prices and the crap music. Piracy is not as huge as an issue they make it out to be.

Anybody remember that leaked version of Halo 2? And how it was going to really ruin/affect sales of the game?

No?

Well it didn't.
 
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