Outdoor Concert/Music Video

Your last name already sounds (reads?) so much like it, you should go all out and change it to McCloud.

As for the video, I like it. It was a lot cleaner looking than I was expecting. I know you were going for the bright/overexposed look, but it could have been toned down a bit in some parts. But, yea, I like it.

What did you end up doing to it in post?
 
TMY said:
As for the video, I like it. It was a lot cleaner looking than I was expecting. I know you were going for the bright/overexposed look, but it could have been toned down a bit in some parts. But, yea, I like it.

What did you end up doing to it in post?
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Same here,
and I like the part where you picked up the dude singing in the audience. That was pretty cool.

But as to the audio, it was super great!
did you pick that up from the board?
what was your audio setup? because even the drums sounded pretty good.

Awesome job for one camera!
 
Haha, well that's supposed to be my little secret but Ive gotten enough from this board to be in debt for a lifetime so the secret is that it was the actual CD track I used, not the live audio at all. I just added the crowd noise in from the cam mic at the front and back of the piece. I put some filters like reverb and echo on the CD to make it sound more in place. As far as what I did the whole scenario was at the last minute I told the band I would film it for them, but to tell me what song they wanted a video for and I would get all kinds of coverage of close ups during their set, and then concentrate on a nice solid base track during the main song, so I could cut in the other clips. Well the song we agreed on kinda got a little wacky and the guitar was knocked out of tune which threw off the whole song. So this track was an afterthought that I pieced together with the other clips I had gotten.

As far post I used Magic Bullet to achieve the bleach bypass with diffusion and upped the exposure a little, and then used apples lens flare filter to add that yellow glow in some spots.
 
Well that's what the problem was JFEditor, this wasn't the song I was expecting to do the video for, the one I was has nice clean fluid movements, because I knew I could always cut back to that... however on this song I was just basically going in an out haphazardly experimenting with shots and composition, not really concerning myself with fluidity throughout, so that is the reason a lot of the less appealing camera movements made it in, out of necessity... that being said, I'm not too unhappy with the camera work considering and I think it gives it a kind of concert going energy. I dunno I understand your points but I don't get what you mean by cuts out my credibility, my credibility as what?
 
I like the shots. It gives the music video an edge but at the same time I know exactly what he is talking about. I thought the same thing my self but didn't really think it was worth mentioning at first. Like the shot at 1:49 I think I would have left that one out.
I liked the one at 3:07 though! The one at the end on 3:22 was also a bit rough. But all in all...
the whole thing turned out great for this genre of music. Most of the shots gave the music video that nice edge of excitement.
 
This was something I did for free, for fun, and off the cusp. As an exercise in color correction more than anything, in order to achieve a certain look I've seen and wanted to emulate. While I would absolutely use shots from this in a demo reel or something it's by no means I piece I would submit as a work example. This is me effing around. And I wouldn't be so quick to judge someone without looking at their body of work, not only one example. I can take a critique on this specific camera work, sure Ill give you that. But I'm far from an inexperienced cam op.
 
Well, as this thread shows, one man's "edgy" is another man's "indecisive".
Because, of course, there's "inexperienced indecisive" and there's "creative, deliberately hesitant moves."
As long as you're happy with the feel of it, and it serves your creative intent, then you accomplished what you were attempting.

Most evident is a GREAT job at "fake matching" a recorded piece of music to a live performance played at a slightly different tempo.
It's hard, and you did it well.
Nice look too.
 
Well I don't necessarily agree with that JF, especially on here... this is a place to showcase your DVX work, for better or worse. Everything I do for free or fun is an experiment, to see if I can accomplish this, or that, because that's how you learn, that's how you develop, and most importantly, thats how you develop style and voice. There's no one who can teach you style and voice, that's specific to you, and if you only try to emulate what a book told you was the proper way to do something, than your voice is going sound like everyone else's. Thats why forums like this are great, because its a way to explore your skills and get feedback from other creatives who will weigh in on the success of your implementation of your techniques. Do I think it's the best cam work I've ever done, no, but a lot of people like the CCing I did on the piece so I will definitely use it in another project. That's all I'm saying, everything on here isn't meant for broadcast.
 
Not all experiments are perfect successes, but if experiments are about learning, and sharing is about learning, why not share one's experimenting?

Even if one's reaction watching is "Hmmm... interesting" or "That's not quite how I'd do it, but maybe I'll try something similar ..."

And well done "shaky/edgy/hesitant" can be more difficult to pull off successfully than conventional/classic camerawork because (as seen here) it can be a matter of degree or nuance. It can be difficult controlling the "uncontrolled" look.
 
haha, don't know if you meant "as seen here" to be the good kind of shaky camera work, or the bad kind...
 
As seen here? ;^)
I liked it. I think it worked.
Maybe tone down the bleach bypass a tiny bit, like 90-95% of what you did?
(but that's just my opinion)

Loved the traffic light to Korg shot.
Not crazy about the jiggle shot on the red keyboard to the guitar.
They must have played really close to the beat of the CD.
The faked sync shots of the singer at the mic are really well done.
And, of course, the singing in the audience.

The feel of the song makes me see a girl in a long skirt twirling and dancing in slo mo, or running through a sun drenched field... (must be the bleach bypass).

Funny, for a concert shot in the street!
 
haha, yeah thanks, the drummer plays to a click track so they're pretty bang on... It would be a cool song to do an actual music vid for
 
JF, I'm glad you "Understand what I'm saying", but to say the only legitimate uses of an "uncontrolled look" are an Office or Bourne (or even NYPD Blue 15 years earlier) are narrow minded, to say the least.
And I say this with all due respect.
I respect differences of opinion, but you seem fairly absolutist on this one.

You say Bourne and Office can do it because "they're scripted"?
If a concert filmmaker chooses (scripts) an erratic look, that's his choice.
Not an excuse.

I could go esoteric, and point out the Deconstructivists in Art, Design and Architecture, who broke away from the rigid, dogmatic "form follows function" straitjacket and opened up new styles, perspectives and approaches.

Or, I could go more populist and point out the stylistic examples of the results of that way of thinking trickling down into all media.

In the 1960's (and through today), "mistakes" began to be used and embraced as stylistic choices:
Lens flare- Hollywood NEVER allowed it until indie films like Easy Rider started using it.
Now you have DVX filmmakers using anamorphic adaptors (with all their inherent difficulties) JUST to have "creative lens flare".
Or adaptor and DSLR users CHOOSING to keep shots where their shallow DoF loses focus on a face, rather than shooting a retake.

Fully racked out of focus shots- not racking from FG to BG, but the street shot of out of focus bokeh tail lights- not a "traditional" style, but a more Impressionistic one.

Erratic camera movement- usually used for a psychological effect of urgency or drama, but definitely not a "traditional" dolly move.

Concert or music videos using, yes, less than perfectly focused shots, taking a shot as it's being focused, because it gives a more "edgy" feel.

Digitally blurring the background- not for DoF, but just so it's, well, blurry.

Adding grain (through an adaptor or post) to digital video to emulate film.
Or in music, adding vinyl scratches to "perfect" digital audio. Why? Artistic choice.
But isn't cleaner better? Not necessarily, if your artistic vision says otherwise.

Is a "perfectly smooth move" in a concert better than an intentionally erratic one?
Not neceessarily.

I totally agree with your "Classic may be boring but it involves intuition" statement, because I don't rule anything out, and I don't know why you would rule out Sean's choices.
Yes, he was learning, but it seems he was learning to deliberately shoot this way and wanted to share it.

If film/video is an art, first you learn the rules and conventions.
Then, if you CHOOSE to break the rules (Picasso, et al) you can.
Godard (French New Wave) CHOSE to use jump cuts.
Is life a perfect sequence of match cuts?
Not mine. More like a shaky hand held shot... lol!
Once you learn the rules, the next rule is there are no rules, SHOULD YOU SO CHOOSE.

Does the viewer have to LIKE the result?
No, but you should at least respect the choice.

And why rule anything out?

Sorry I don't have any links handy for the "controlled uncontrolled" look.
I'll be glad to post if I find some.

That's my 5¢.. er... more like 95¢
 
Hey Ksun no I didn't use any adapters, it was raw DVX, but did kind of a soft focus in post...

and grooveChuck, I think you said it perfectly... and while not all of my stuff has this same look and feel or technique, I decided to embrace it wholly on this project for a sort of vintage film home 8mm camera look. In editing I would look for the rack focus shots, certain jarring motions, but again, there's a method to the madness in that, where you pick the shots that add style and voice, but don't just give you a jumbled mess of a flick.

It sounds to me like JF has had a particular set of ideals ingrained in him by a class or someone who told him this is how it should be done. And in filmmaking there are right ways and wrong ways, but deciding which are YOUR right ways to tell your story, create a feel or look or whatever, deciding that is what differentiates you from every other person with a camera. And hopefully it's also what draws people to want to see your work.
 
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