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I actually dislike Bluray. I find that the picture seems flat, and lacks depth. I would rather have the lower resolution and a warmer picture. Kind of like the age old debate over LP vs CD.
 
evanrm said:
I actually dislike Bluray. I find that the picture seems flat, and lacks depth. I would rather have the lower resolution and a warmer picture. Kind of like the age old debate over LP vs CD.
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+100!
(except for stuff that originated in full HD)
 
evanrm said:
I actually dislike Bluray. I find that the picture seems flat, and lacks depth. I would rather have the lower resolution and a warmer picture. Kind of like the age old debate over LP vs CD.
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I disagree 100%, but everyone's going to have an opinion on it. I think blu-ray looks great if they did it right and you have a good set-up. I wouldn't trade a blu-ray for a Standard DVD ever if I have the option, but that's just me, love the look of film in HD.
 
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You know you can adjust the warmth by just adding a little orange through your TVs color settings right?
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It's not a colour issue. 'Warmth' probably isn't the right word, but I know what I mean. It might be a by-product of the movie I'm thinking of being converted up to Bluray after the fact, rather than it being filmed at a higher resolution.
 
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vcfilms said:
I disagree 100%
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I'm not sure that it's really a matter of agreeing or disagreeing. I can only state how I percieve the image to be.

That being said, I have watched Bluray on a plasma tv, and it looked fine - I thought it was just a normal DVD til I was told it was Bluray - but I think that was due to the plasma screen itself. I didn't notice it being any clearer, but I might if I saw a side-by-side comparison.
 
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Sorry but LP versus CD is not a good analogy. LP is an analog & mechanical process compared to a digital process. Here we are talking about two digital processes. I've watched the same film rescanned for bluray on my 125" 1080p projection setup and can say without question the bluray was superior. Even watched with NetflixHD which was the worst of the 3 which I expected. The colors looked better to me in the bluray version and definitely less artifacting in really dark scenes.
 
Rick Burnett said:
Sorry but LP versus CD is not a good analogy. LP is an analog & mechanical process compared to a digital process.
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That may be true, but the debate is usually over which sounds better. Some swear by LPs, saying that they produce a better sound as a result of the analog recording process, and others claim CDs are better (or at least equal). No analogy is perfect, but it illustrates the point. Either DVD or Bluray (or LP v CD), I am only judging the end result as per my personal tastes. I have found some Blurays I have watched to be flat and shallow. That may only be my perception, and the person standing next to me might see it differently. I can only comment on my own perception in this instance.

Here we are talking about two digital processes.
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Yes, but that is not the point. It's not about necessarily what the process is (analog v digital), but the final output.

I've watched the same film rescanned for bluray on my 125" 1080p projection setup and can say without question the bluray was superior. Even watched with NetflixHD which was the worst of the 3 which I expected. The colors looked better to me in the bluray version and definitely less artifacting in really dark scenes.
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I'm not worried about the artifacting side of the image, but what I percieve the overall image quality to be (although I use the word 'quality' subjectively). I quite like a little grain in the final image, although not too noisy. It's not a question of which is necessarily better resolution-wise, or sharper and so on. I have also seen a standard DVD scaled up to HD, and thought it looked terrible as well. I simply prefer DVDs to Bluray, although sooner or later I won't have much choice.
 
If anything, a higher definition image that has a higher data rate is generally going to show more grain or noise since the compression processes block out more grain/noise (and the reduction in actual detail to resizing). Look at material recording AVCHD and then look at material recorded out 4:2:2 through the SDI out. At 1:1 you can clearly see more noise in the 4:2:2, however, you can see more fine details at spatial boundaries as well. It is well known that AVCHD smooths out extremely fine detail (as do a lot of compression algorithms) and therefore, hides noise/grain as well.

I also don't get this flat/shallow comparison. The depth of the movies I have seen have been the same. The only change I've seen is the level of detail that I can see. Now, if someone choses to remaster the visuals for the BluRay version, which does happen a lot, that's an entirely different matter. I've seen a LOT of movies that go for the over contrasty less saturated look, tending to focus on blues and oranges a lot more. However, this is a taste issue, not a limitation of the technology.

Here is a great example (except all the stupid pre-text, start at around 1:30 and watch in 1080p)

I watched this at 1080p on a 1920x1200 monitor. Just as DVDs look on this system, there are TONS of compression artifacts and huge loss of detail. On the blowups, you can see this no problem.

Now, if the display you are using to watch these 1080p content isn't that great, sure, you won't notice as much difference as others, but the quality difference is night and day to me. You can barely see Ed Norton's face detail on that first shot. In the shots of Braveheart you can clearly see they didn't try and retain the same coloring. I think they bumped the saturation up TOO far on the BluRay version my self. But, again, that has NOTHING to do with BluRay. It has to do with who recolored it for the BluRay version.

I think the rest of the shots pretty much speak for themselves. The quality difference is NIGHT and DAY.

We've done BluRay prints of our material AND DVD prints, so we know first hand what the difference is. If it weren't for all the stupid licensing required with BluRay we'd use it more, but it is expensive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ-RhnonZyg
 
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Many current generation HDTV's both LCD and plasma , are true 10 bit displays. If the display is reasonably well calibrated, Blu-ray looks spectacular to me. There are typically more compression/scaling artifacts from DVD's by comparison as well as 8-bit banding issues.
Love the Blu-rays.
A particular favorite of mine is the Criterion Blu-ray of Jacques Tati's classic comedy Playtime. Remastered from the 70mm original, this film is a superb example of cinematography as fine art.
Can't wait for the release of Lawrence of Arabia.
 
Razz16mm said:
Many current generation HDTV's both LCD and plasma , are true 10 bit displays. If the display is reasonably well calibrated, Blu-ray looks spectacular to me. There are typically more compression/scaling artifacts from DVD's by comparison as well as 8-bit banding issues.
Love the Blu-rays.
A particular favorite of mine is the Criterion Blu-ray of Jacques Tati's classic comedy Playtime. Remastered from the 70mm original, this film is a superb example of cinematography as fine art.
Can't wait for the release of Lawrence of Arabia.
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DVD, so low rez... I hate putting my films on DVD after editing it in HD for so long. And then it's also that damn interlaced 25fps in PAL land.
 
Yeah, that is probably the issue. It may have been the particular TV I see/saw it on, or the process itself. On the flip side, I have found that animation films (like Monsters v Aliens etc) look great on Bluray.
 
Rick Burnett said:
I also don't get this flat/shallow comparison. The depth of the movies I have seen have been the same. The only change I've seen is the level of detail that I can see. Now, if someone choses to remaster the visuals for the BluRay version, which does happen a lot, that's an entirely different matter. I've seen a LOT of movies that go for the over contrasty less saturated look, tending to focus on blues and oranges a lot more. However, this is a taste issue, not a limitation of the technology.
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I don't know how else to describe it. I just didn't enjoy the look, and it could have been caused by a combination of factors. Overall, however, it's only my opinion. Others like Bluray, and I don't have a problem with that.

Here is a great example (except all the stupid pre-text, start at around 1:30 and watch in 1080p)
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There is no link, assuming that there was supposed to be one.
 
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