Oktava MK-012 vs Schoeps MK41

KM184 are way too bright for me. Now the KN84.....OK, but the pattern is wider than a Schoeps CMC641.

Regards,

Ty Ford
 
Video using Schoeps MK4's with a Metric Halo ULN-2 preamp-interface.

All this talk about mics means nothing unless you have decent pre-amps. I'm guessing most of you guys plug them directly into the camera? I don't know, but I gather that from everyones comments about XLR's on video cameras. Is it true to say the XLR's work for dialogue OK? I have 2 C100's and can claim the XLR's are virgins, I've never violated them. I have deflowerd the mini jack tho.

In the recording the Schoeps picked up the fan on one of the C100's! I forgot to turn it off..... always some damn thing. However, the pitch was only detected if you had dog ears, but could be heard with human ears slowed down half speed. We filtered it out.

On the bright side you can hear some birds singing along.

https://youtu.be/heTBdQFuED0?list=LLG7NugrUNvx0mc9m9mZtatA
 
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"All this talk about mics means nothing unless you have decent pre-amps. I'm guessing most of you guys plug them directly into the camera? I don't know, but I gather that from everyones comments about XLR's on video cameras. Is it true to say the XLR's work for dialogue OK? I have 2 C100's and can claim the XLR's are virgins, I've never violated them. I have deflowerd the mini jack tho"

I do both depending on the situation. My PannyCam (AJ-PX270) does record in 24bit and for dialogue, IMHO, is very acceptable. The pre's are very decent for a cam and the limiters work well enough. If only one track is needed, it is easy to record a safety track at a lower level. However, the big issue is riding levels which is nearly impossible to do in real time. If I'm on stix, I'll usually rig a shelf mounted 302 on my tripod and feed the cam line level which works very well. I can easily run the cam and ride the mixer at the same time. If cam movement is needed, it is case by case but usually graduates to dual system.

Grant
 
Michael Thames said:
Jim, I'd be curious to know what you feel the difference is between them. Miking a classical guitar, I at 8 to 10 inches I felt the MK4's were slightly more forgiving with the high transients, it smoothed them out a little more. For voice and dialogue I haven't a clue.

Would it be fair to say the MK41's being a super cardioid are a bit more focused than than the MK4's cardioid? That's kind a what I meant. Filtering out the noise around the MK41's, I can see how in a film setting they would work better than the MK4's. But for recording guitar I wanted a wider cardioid pattern than the MK41's.
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I haven't mic'd a classical guitar in a long time, and when I did I was basically a TapeOp...an occasionally assistant engineer...so I was basically following the instructions of the people who knew what they were doing. And that was like 35 years ago... IIRC, the studio had some old Neumann small-diaphragm condensers...Some sort of KM? I'll totally defer to your experience and ears on this.

More recently, when I do record guitar, it's steel string and I end up using whatever I have on hand... A C12 still sounds nice and is fairly forgiving in positioning. But music recording isn't my bag.

And ya, the MK41 is totally more focused than the MK4...I just think since I mostly deal with dialog these days that I preserve "laser focused" for mics like MKH70s, perhaps the Sanken CS3e. No big deal.
 
IronFilm said:
Because the KM184 & KM84 are cardioid microphones, while the CMC641 is a hypercardioid
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The Nuemann KM184's and the Schoeps MK4's featured in the video I posted are both cardioid mics. The Neumann's are brighter than the Schoeps, some people say more colorful.
 
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