analog_addict
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I hope this thread gets moved out of the AF100 subforum soon! :undecided
OK, so Scarlet is actually S35. This is big.
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That's not the point. I was merely correcting the statement that the AF100 has a 1080p resolution. The files may be 1080p, but the actual resolved resolution is not. But neither are other similar cameras. You can see the difference in image quality between video shot with the AF100 and the video shot with any Red camera. Is the AF100 good, sure it is for the price. Does the Red show more detail? Of course, but it costs a lot more. Basically you get what you pay for, and some clients will ask for that extra quality and detail and they will need to pay for it too.
KyleProhaska
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The only thing that will stink in shooting 2k is the sensor crop of like 50%. That'll crop your FOV by about 50% compared to shooting 4k. It takes things down to like a 2/3chip equivalent. As I've thought about it more, I would basically be stuck in 4k if I wanted to keep a good FOV...HDRx would have to be used only on special shots. :/
why would it? 1DX is a stills camera with all those AF and high resolution megapixel.
mjmcneese
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I'm trying to take as an objective look at the Scarlet-X as I possibly can. I have an AF100 and a 7D, and I'm doing OK. There are some things about my work that would definitely be improved with a Scarlet-X. And there are some things about the AF that I would really miss.
I'm using a dumb Canon mount on the AF now. The Canon mount on the Scarlet honors iris and IS. That's big to me. No iris control of my collection of Canon lenses is just clunky and unprofessional. But, in that same regard, the AF has ND Filters built in. I would probably be looking at a significant 4x4 filter investment with the Scarlet.
Lots of complaints about the 2k crop on Scarlet, and the ability to edit 4k in an existing editing environment. For me, this is a pretty quick fix by shooting on a Ki-Pro rather than RED SSDs. Then I can have the camera resolve 4k, downconverted by the Ki-Pro to 1080p ProRes that snuggles in nicely with my FCP/CS5.5 on my iMac. No costly SSDs or readers to buy. Full 4k RAW is always there for me when I need it, and I have two individuals that own EPIC packages, so those resources are close by.
I've witness the RED 5" Touchscreen...wasn't impressed. The touchscreen manipulation stopped working after about a month. I think I'll stick with my TVLogic 5.6", which is much higher-rez than the RED Touch anyway.
I really wish RED would just stick some 3-pin XLR inputs on the bodies! 1/8" Stereos? Sure, they're counting on double-system in most scenarios, but I think realistically, a lot of us still want to be able to record audio and video together. The Ki-Pro helps here, too, with two channels of XLR-in available. Still, advantage AF100.
I would also have to make an investment in a more robust power situation...probably an Anton Bauer set up, which would allow me to power camera, Ki-Pro, and external monitor all from one battery. I might be able to run that set up for 7-8 minutes, but hey, it's power. And it would save me from having three different kinds of batteries and all the extra weight on board.
This is realistically gonna cost me $10-11k out of pocket after unloading my AF. Obviously, it's for me to decide if the benefits will pay for difference, while trying to quantify the future-proof-ness of 4k, RAW, modular camera systems, etc. A lot of guys went out and bought Epics recently. I wonder how many of them are kicking themselves now that the Scarlet is nearly here? They've paid an extra $20,000 for 300fps, 5k, and higher data rates. Lots of people definitely need those features, some could have waited. I just bought my AF in April. I'm not kicking myself, but it does make me wonder what kind of new, better, faster, cheaper camera will come out in 6 months. Because, well, we know it's coming
I'm using a dumb Canon mount on the AF now. The Canon mount on the Scarlet honors iris and IS. That's big to me. No iris control of my collection of Canon lenses is just clunky and unprofessional. But, in that same regard, the AF has ND Filters built in. I would probably be looking at a significant 4x4 filter investment with the Scarlet.
Lots of complaints about the 2k crop on Scarlet, and the ability to edit 4k in an existing editing environment. For me, this is a pretty quick fix by shooting on a Ki-Pro rather than RED SSDs. Then I can have the camera resolve 4k, downconverted by the Ki-Pro to 1080p ProRes that snuggles in nicely with my FCP/CS5.5 on my iMac. No costly SSDs or readers to buy. Full 4k RAW is always there for me when I need it, and I have two individuals that own EPIC packages, so those resources are close by.
I've witness the RED 5" Touchscreen...wasn't impressed. The touchscreen manipulation stopped working after about a month. I think I'll stick with my TVLogic 5.6", which is much higher-rez than the RED Touch anyway.
I really wish RED would just stick some 3-pin XLR inputs on the bodies! 1/8" Stereos? Sure, they're counting on double-system in most scenarios, but I think realistically, a lot of us still want to be able to record audio and video together. The Ki-Pro helps here, too, with two channels of XLR-in available. Still, advantage AF100.
I would also have to make an investment in a more robust power situation...probably an Anton Bauer set up, which would allow me to power camera, Ki-Pro, and external monitor all from one battery. I might be able to run that set up for 7-8 minutes, but hey, it's power. And it would save me from having three different kinds of batteries and all the extra weight on board.
This is realistically gonna cost me $10-11k out of pocket after unloading my AF. Obviously, it's for me to decide if the benefits will pay for difference, while trying to quantify the future-proof-ness of 4k, RAW, modular camera systems, etc. A lot of guys went out and bought Epics recently. I wonder how many of them are kicking themselves now that the Scarlet is nearly here? They've paid an extra $20,000 for 300fps, 5k, and higher data rates. Lots of people definitely need those features, some could have waited. I just bought my AF in April. I'm not kicking myself, but it does make me wonder what kind of new, better, faster, cheaper camera will come out in 6 months. Because, well, we know it's coming
analog_addict
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Someone talking some sense! I just purchased my AF a few months ago as well. I would never buy any camera as soon as it is released. Wait a while for firmware fixes, positive reviews and of course price drops.
I would love a Scarlet but realistically for me, the AF100 is a little box that can do the job with no extras. Built in ND filters, XLR inputs, cheap media etc. Even now most of my jobs end up in SD still. Just shot something to be projected at a huge conference and they are projecting from a laptop. I offered them 1080 files to project but they just wanted it on a DVD.
It really does just depend on the type of jobs you earn most of your money from. For me a Scarlet would make most jobs far more difficult than they need to be. I plan to keep on shooting with my AF100 and 550D for another year and see if it is worth investing further into an F3 or Scarlet. Even though I often want to upgrade I have to stop myself because I'm upgrading for myself and not for the client.
James Bridges
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It's a great deal on a camera system of this type. I ordered the Canon mount.
Kindredmachine
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I've been looking at the crop factors as well and it is a serious issue. I was hoping RED would use pixel binding instead of windowing the sensor. Some people at reduser are saying it might be possible to shoot in 4k and use an external recorder to capture and compress at 2k. This would solve the crop and DOF issues as well as allow one to use cheap media for recording. I guess we'll have to wait and see. In the meantime, I'll keep shooting on my AF-100.
snowleopard
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If I had an AF100 I wouldn't feel any need to change cameras what so ever due to the release of Scarlet, or the Canon 300s unless I was dripping with cash.
mjmcneese
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It works on the Epic...don't see why it wouldn't work on the Scarlet.
Also, there is no way that the image from 2k or 3k could be recorded as anything other than a windowed crop. It's recording RAW sensor data, so if it's recording full-sensor, it has to record every pixel's data.
Kindredmachine
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*duh* that's right. Looks like external recorder it is then.